Mod/admin, plz hide my acc on lb.

[susu]

http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=8202

Due to my posted on that topic, you allowwed pumping map and ignored all ideas.

I understand that your fault, not Studmuffin.

So if nothing else happend, I decide to hide my acc on lb to against boring and unfair game.

Moreover, I hard to get even 1 pst each game, while the other get it in esay by pumping map.

I think people on top lb must have a reall skill or reall strong.

[WhatsMyName]

try to get 9acct on top 25 LB if u have Real SkillZ..
like meh have 9 acct on top25..

[Da Dealer]

susu wrote:

http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=8202

Due to my posted on that topic, you allowwed pumping map and ignored all ideas.

I understand that your fault, not Studmuffin.

So if nothing else happend, I decide to hide my acc on lb to against boring and unfair game.

Moreover, I hard to get even 1 pst each game, while the other get it in esay by pumping map.

I think people on top lb must have a reall skill or reall strong.

thats why i stopped trying

[KissFromARose]

WhatsMyName wrote:

try to get 9acct on top 25 LB if u have Real SkillZ..
like meh have 9 acct on top25..

Arrrrrr

I hv no skill but did hv all 7 accs on lb LONG TIME AGO

susu wrote:

http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=8202

Due to my posted on that topic, you allowwed pumping map and ignored all ideas.

I understand that your fault, not Studmuffin.

So if nothing else happend, I decide to hide my acc on lb to against boring and unfair game.

Moreover, I hard to get even 1 pst each game, while the other get it in esay by pumping map.

I think people on top lb must have a reall skill or reall strong.

SUSU,

I know u disapointed about rule of pts. I had posted several time about that stupid rule,

in here: http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=7823

and here: http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=7908

But seem no one of mod-admin care about it.

Im sorry I stop fighting for that unfair.

But now I follow u. Mod-admin, plz hide all my 7 accs also, untill that stupid rule is fixed.

[scottlu]

What rule do you want fixed?

[susu]

scottlu wrote:

What rule do you want fixed?

As your question, I know you have no attention what we said.
But I focus you in 2 things:

1. as my rate, get 0 pts if play 1vs1 with player lower than 1650 (this stupid) but the other (ex: Studmuffin, as same rate) play on pumping map 3vs1 still get 1 or 2 pts when the loser even lower than 1500 (this unfair).

In many other game, they have plus 1pts for winner called : match pts or system pts. So at least the winner get happy 1pts for not waste time or risk when playing with any rating.

The rule of pts must be fixed in this game.

2. I wonder why mod/admin allowed pumping map 3vs1. This should be remove or change to coop map no pts.
If you keep those pumping map, so they keep playing. This year is Studmuffin, next year is other, cant stop...

and this unfair to other.


Do I say in clearly?

And Studmuffin, I dont mad on you because you do nothing wrong. Any player can do what you done.
I just use your name to prove this game need fixed to be better.
Lets reach the limit 2300 pts, but I prefer no limit so I can reach 5000 pts or above.
(why must be limitted? if you and me are on max 2300pts, who is the 1st?)

[STUDmuffin]

First, I want to apologize to SUSU or any other player who may feel I am intentionally trying to undermine there accomplishments or handwork. That isn't may intention.

My intention has been to expose the flaw in the points system in a way that could only make the admins take notice and maybe make more of an effort to do something about it (this topic has been discussed but little was done).

I have no say in how my games are scored. Some would say that I hide my account if I want to only see how high the points system will allow me to go. We are all bound by the leaderboard and the rules of the points system. But since I not breaking any rules why should I hide my account.

The game does need updating. Perhaps by the this discussion regarding the types of maps I play will get this to happen and not just have these maps pulled or reassigned as coop etc. Pulling or banning a map isn't trying to fix the issue which has to do with the points system. There will always be another map to take the one pulled.

There is a flaw in the system and I exposed this flaw. Other games have multiple leaderboards for various accomplishments. Why shouldn't this game have it also (ex. Lb for most games scored/won; lb for most points acquired; lb for most games won by a team; etc.). Multiple LB could help attract more players who are interested in achieving something else on this game besides points.

This would be a perfect time for an update to the game. Banning maps isn't the answer but updating the points rule and having what susu suggested as a match point would be a much better.

Again my apologies to you, Susu. Maybe something will finally happen with updating to this game.

[Duc Van Java]

I used to love points..
But now i play for fun and i assure u that i u do this,
Its more better.
Points wouldnt bring u no where anyway.
LB is a joke.(in my opinion)
So why dont play for fun and not for points?
And stud why dont just ask scott how the point system works
and whats the limit.
Why do the trouble if u only want to know the point limit.
Ask scott maybe he know.

[WhatsMyName]

susu wrote:

scottlu wrote:

What rule do you want fixed?

As your question, I know you have no attention what we said.
But I focus you in 2 things:

1. as my rate, get 0 pts if play 1vs1 with player lower than 1650 (this stupid) but the other (ex: Studmuffin, as same rate) play on pumping map 3vs1 still get 1 or 2 pts when the loser even lower than 1500 (this unfair).

In many other game, they have plus 1pts for winner called : match pts or system pts. So at least the winner get happy 1pts for not waste time or risk when playing with any rating.

The rule of pts must be fixed in this game.

2. I wonder why mod/admin allowed pumping map 3vs1. This should be remove or change to coop map no pts.
If you keep those pumping map, so they keep playing. This year is Studmuffin, next year is other, cant stop...

and this unfair to other.


Do I say in clearly?

And Studmuffin, I dont mad on you because you do nothing wrong. Any player can do what you done.
I just use your name to prove this game need fixed to be better.
Lets reach the limit 2300 pts, but I prefer no limit so I can reach 5000 pts or above.
(why must be limitted? if you and me are on max 2300pts, who is the 1st?)

No Respon or dont understand

[scottlu]

First off, pumping is not allowed. Pumpers will get attention of admins who may reset or ban your account. Pumpers make the game worse for everyone else, and make our job as admins more work.

Second of all, the zero point problem. If the scoring system at least gives you one point, then you'll have a higher score just by playing more players. It won't be a skill contest. Is that what you want? It seems like another form of pumping to me, but I'm all ears if you think that'll make the problem better.

Thirdly, the 3v1 map scoring problem. This is clearly a scoring problem that needs to be addressed. I will check it out. Anyone who has knowingly abused this scoring flaw is getting points unfairly. The way to get my attention about a scoring problem is to PM me, not abuse it and score points for yourself.

[susu]

Im sure you didnt understand the problem, like WhatMyName does.

Now I know The simple way to be on top of lb is only play PUMPING MAP 3vs1.
No need any skill or strong or try to get even 1pts.
Very easy.

No interesting me while on top anymore. So I still want mod/admin HIDE MY ACC.

IM DONE.

[scottlu]

Anyone willing to discuss the problem calmly?

[WhatsMyName]

berlyhendrawan wrote:

confused..
deleted thats stupid map..
its 3 vs 1, the mean why im confused is when u play with low rating (<1500pts) u still got pts.. funny when u used ur high rating (example = plyr 1. >2100pts, plyr 2. >1800pts, plyr 3. > 1600pts VS cyan <1500-1300pts) the 3 plyrs still get pts..
system is broken i think

[KissFromARose]

First of all, I agree with this.

WhatsMyName wrote:

berlyhendrawan wrote:

confused..
deleted thats stupid map..
its 3 vs 1, the mean why im confused is when u play with low rating (<1500pts) u still got pts.. funny when u used ur high rating (example = plyr 1. >2100pts, plyr 2. >1800pts, plyr 3. > 1600pts VS cyan <1500-1300pts) the 3 plyrs still get pts..
system is broken i think

You can see here for more: http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=8202

If you still in silly, I will have 2 words for ya in next post.

Secondly, minimum 1pts for each match is not akind of pump.
Im sure you understand what is called PUMP. Or must I explain it?

But if not, the high player, cant earn even minimum 1pts, will stop playing or get down the pts or quit the game. because they boring with 0pts, and cant get higher when they give a love, a time to play.

All higher player/good player will retired, and gone...

For example:

If you make a pop up note in every match something like this:
This match will give 0pts to the winner by difference rating
Do you really want continue?
OK CANCEL


Im sure no one press OK button for waste time and risk, unless they are in friend and play for fun.



Finally, we must THANKS to STUDmuffin, he HAD FOUND THE FLAWED of system that took many discussion.
The MAN of YEAR!

[scottlu]

Ok the admins/mods and I discussed your idea, and the short of it is, I'll implement the match point idea and we'll see how it everyone likes it.

The 3v1 problem is a good bug, thank you for finding it, I will fix the scoring algorithm once I find out why it is scoring like that.

Thanks for the feedback.

Scott

[WhatsMyName]

scottlu wrote:

Ok the admins/mods and I discussed your idea, and the short of it is, I'll implement the match point idea and we'll see how it everyone likes it.

The 3v1 problem is a good bug, thank you for finding it, I will fix the scoring algorithm once I find out why it is scoring like that.

Thanks for the feedback.

Scott

Thanks for Ur response..
still waitin' for action

[scottlu]

It'll be done this Friday or Saturday.

[wonderer]

i dont think you should do anything other then quarantine the map until its fair.

changing the rules so high ranked players get 1 point is stupid cause i dont know how many times scottlu has posted how the point system works and now your changing it cause a few people want it. and how long have you been thinking of making the change

not everyone is like berly where they can play every map and win 99% of the time.

alot of the top5 players at any given time on the leader board who cant gain 1 point in a match stick to 1 map so why are you only helping them? they dont make up a big percentage of the players who acturaly use the leaderboard as it was intended to be used for. i see no point

[scottlu]

I decided to look at it a different way - there is little harm in trying it, and if it turns into a problem, the problem can be addressed.

Regarding the 3v1 map, I believe it is a scoring problem that occurs on any map where there are three on a team against one other player.

[WhatsMyName]

wonderer wrote:

i dont think you should do anything other then quarantine the map until its fair.

changing the rules so high ranked players get 1 point is stupid cause i dont know how many times scottlu has posted how the point system works and now your changing it cause a few people want it. and how long have you been thinking of making the change

not everyone is like berly where they can play every map and win 99% of the time.

alot of the top5 players at any given time on the leader board who cant gain 1 point in a match stick to 1 map so why are you only helping them? they dont make up a big percentage of the players who acturaly use the leaderboard as it was intended to be used for. i see no point

Dude, My problems is 3vs1 map.. read my post (berlyhendrawan wrote)
hope u got it what i mean

[KissFromARose]

wonderer wrote:

i dont think you should do anything other then quarantine the map until its fair.

changing the rules so high ranked players get 1 point is stupid cause i dont know how many times scottlu has posted how the point system works and now your changing it cause a few people want it. and how long have you been thinking of making the change

not everyone is like berly where they can play every map and win 99% of the time.

alot of the top5 players at any given time on the leader board who cant gain 1 point in a match stick to 1 map so why are you only helping them? they dont make up a big percentage of the players who acturaly use the leaderboard as it was intended to be used for. i see no point

You misunderstand, dude.
Match pst or system pst Not only for high player, its plus 1pst for all player who win in every match.

Do you ever get 0pst by ur rating? This will prevent it.
And I think people like at least 1pst than none.

Will you ask about skill ? Or only play to get 1pst?
If no skill or strong, they cant win.
If they win for 1pst, many other player also have the same.
So this FAIR to all.You will keep many players in active. Because you make this game for play, not for chat only.

About map 3vs1, I think you see the problem, I wont talk about that.

Thanks Scotlu, finally, you take a time to hear!

[wonderer]

I dont know i have never been number 1 on the leaderboard and i have never stayed on one map for more then 2 days so i dont understand they way your thinking.

All i know is that its 1 point vs 5 points or more if you go after players instead of waiting for someone to join.

But to each their own i guess

[scottlu]

The "match point" feature is now implemented, deployed, and live.

Now I'm looking at the 3v1 games to find the scoring problem mentioned earlier.

[scottlu]

I found the 3v1 scoring problem, fixed it and deployed the fix. Let me know if you see problems.

The problem was: assume you have 3 who win, with scores 1300, 2219, and 1955 vs a player with score 1538.

In the old system, the scores of the winners were averaged together, bring the average score down to 1824. This means a win yields more points. Then the share of the points given to each winner is based on kill contribution (kills / total kills). So if 2219 got most of the kills, 2219 would get most of the points.

So the point making strategy would be for a highly ranked player to play with 2 anons (1300) against a 4th player. This would make the average score average way down, making it closer to the enemy player, which due to how ELO works yields more points on a win. If the 2 anons did nothing, then the highly ranked player would get all the points. It's essentially like playing a 1v1 game with a lower rank, and thereby you get more points when you win.

The fix is to not based the aggregate score on the average rank, but instead make it a weighted sum based on kill contribution. For example if 89% of the kills came from the 2219 score player, then that player's contribution to the team score will be 2219 * .89. This basically makes the team score reflect the score of the players who contributed kills.

This weighted score then goes into the ELO calculation, then points are awarded based on kill contribution for each player.

This fixes the scoring flaw. Thanks for reporting it.

Scott

[susu]

scottlu wrote:

The "match point" feature is now implemented, deployed, and live.

Now I'm looking at the 3v1 games to find the scoring problem mentioned earlier.

Are you kidding me?

I won last 2 matchs, still 0pts. Lol.


Nothing to say!

[scottlu]

susu wrote:

scottlu wrote:

The "match point" feature is now implemented, deployed, and live.

Now I'm looking at the 3v1 games to find the scoring problem mentioned earlier.

Are you kidding me?

I won last 2 matchs, still 0pts. Lol.


Nothing to say!

Please have patience, I'm trying to help. The code was written, tested and deployed. If you tell me which game you played today where you won yet gained zero points, I will look into it and find out why.

Scott

[scottlu]

I see what you are saying. I will find out why that happened.

[scottlu]

Ok I fixed the problem. Please try again.

Thank you for your patience.

[susu]

scottlu wrote:

Ok I fixed the problem. Please try again.

Thank you for your patience.

Thank Scott, Its work.
I feel happy to keep playing now.
Sorry if I made you sometimes uncomfortable, but I think it worth for the players, also for the game.