My look on leaderboard inflamement

[Da Dealer]

So today i ran into an anon in the chat and i forget hoe it was brought up but we started a discussion about wheater what studMUFFIN is doing is good for the game (like he thinks) or killing the competitive nature(which i think) so heres how i break it down i see it as something that will stop competitve players like me and some of the older players that played the game for pts and to compete for the #1 spot from actually playing if i know i wont be number 1 and someone who plays an unloseable map is i wont play game (like i dont now) but his take is that its good for the game and it will eventually lead to the entire removement of the leaderboard that way people will just play for the sake of playing and not for points but thats the thing playing for points is a choice if anyone wants to they can play like gunners and just play so those are the two arguements

But my problem is when trine took down/edited his cat n mouse maps people didnt know what to do so they made copies of the map which are even easier for the 3 to win so even if you take down the copies they will just make more, i dont think you get rid of the 3v1's because they can actually be very fun but i can only see one answer and idk if its possible but heres my thought

Make a seperate leaderboard so the points played in 3v1's are tied into that and the people who do it for points can still have some sense of accomplishment but idk how itd work it seems like that would be very complicated but thats all i got

[wonderer]

its so boring playing theses days. theirs not enough ffa maps being played.

[N104]

I think when players play the same map over and over just to rack up points it does kill the competitive nature a little. But its not gonna stop playing from playing my favorite game.

We can't stop people from playing the same map repeatedly.
Maybe we just should not have a leaderboard.

[slimjimninja]

At the moment I don't really care what other people do regarding the leaderboard. And I never really liked FFA maps that much anyway, unless it's something like gun game.

[Da Dealer]

Its not free for all its a 3v1

[susu]

N104!!! wrote:

I think when players play the same map over and over just to rack up points it does kill the competitive nature a little. But its not gonna stop playing from playing my favorite game.

We can't stop people from playing the same map repeatedly.
Maybe we just should not have a leaderboard.

Sorry to say that your map is bad.
I argree wit Da Dealer, that map 3vs1 should change to coop map and no pts.
If u only like funny, keep playing coop map.

I wonder how the admin allowwed pumping score map while they prevent pumping score match.

I aslo boring on the rule count pts.

[Da Dealer]

Susu the problem is that if you have at least one player on both teams points have to be recorded

[wonderer]

I don't think 3vs1 should be co-op matches cause it will still be unfair on most maps that are 3vs1 since no one wants to play hard co-op maps either.

The only way I can see something happing is everyone make a post in the mission sharing where the map link is posted and complain about the map. If scottlu or other admins want to do something they will.

If your asking for enhancement request then your in the worng section
If you asking for a change to be made on a map your in the worng section.

[Da Dealer]

But theres many different kinds and copies of the map

[scottlu]

Can someone describe the problem? What is wrong with the 3vs1 map?

[Yoshiya]

N104!!! wrote:

I think when players play the same map over and over just to rack up points it does kill the competitive nature a little. But its not gonna stop playing from playing my favorite game.

We can't stop people from playing the same map repeatedly.
Maybe we just should not have a leaderboard.

maybe we should have it so after you play a map so many times a day for eg. 3 every other time u play it after that it doesnt count on the leaderboard

[Da Dealer]

scottlu wrote:

Can someone describe the problem? What is wrong with the 3vs1 map?

Its not all 3v1 maps its just the cat n mouse and the cat n mouse copies where its impossible for the 3 to lose so one player can never lose a game

[Yoshiya]

i've seen both sides win

[Enzo007]

N104!!! wrote:

Maybe we just should not have a leaderboard.

Just because some players don't care about or use the leaderboard doesn't mean that it should be removed. I believe the leaderboard is the fuel to why the vast majority people play maps in this game, not just chat. If there was no leaderboard then this game would obviously turn into a plain ol' chat room because there would be no incentive to actually play. For me personally, the whole mentality of wanting to be high on the leaderboard was the drive that kept me playing when I was a reasonably new player.

yoshiya wrote:

i've seen both sides win

Da Dealer wrote:

Its not all 3v1 maps its just the cat n mouse and the cat n mouse copies where its impossible for the 3 to lose so one player can never lose a game

I'll try to shed some truth on the issue. I've done some modest research about 3v1s, all coming from STUDmuffin's last 100 games at the time of this post. I chose Stud because he looks to be the poster-child of all of this 3v1 buzz.


Results

STUDmuffin has played a total of 235 games and has won 227 (~97%)

Out of his last 100 games, 62 were scored games.

In 23 of his scored games he played "tysons cat and mouse desert remix". He won all 23 of them (100%). He never played as the 1 (cyan).

In 2 of his scored games he played "tysons cat and mouse remix". He won them both (100%). He never played as the 1 (cyan).

In 2 of his games he played ".1v3 Strobe". He won them both (100%). He was the 1 both times (yellow).

In 2 of his scored games he played "Killer-Mart II The Return of Killer". He won them both (100%). He was the 1 both times (blue).

In 3 of his scored games he played "The Gen Door (B R Y vs C)". He won all 3 of them (100%). He was never the 1 (cyan).

In 13 of his scored games he played "Killer-Mart". He won 12/13 (~92%). In the one match he did lose he was the 1 (blue). In 6 of the 13 matches, he was the 1 (blue).

In 17 of his scored games he played "Cat and Mouse: Desert". He won all 17 of them (100%). He was never the 1 (cyan).

*All of his scored matches was some form of a 3v1 map*

[scottlu]

So 3v1 maps don't score properly? (too many points awarded?)

Btw Enzo thanks for that write up.

[Cloud]

In a way, Scott. People are using 1 v 3 maps as way to get high on the leaderboard without having to worry about losing as much. That's what is bothering people. We can't play them in "A real game" because they play only maps that ensure they will win. Now I know STUD plays 1 v 3 maps and plays on the 1 side sometimes, but he wins most of the time because he knows the maps from being the only types of maps he plays. I'm not sure what the community wants done with the 1 v 3 maps but I'm sure they all agree that in a sense they are being abused to get to the top of the lb with little to no effort involved, as opposed to the original way of working your butt off to get there.

[scottlu]

If you can use a 3v1 map to get to the top without worrying about losing as much, then something is wrong with them. In other words if you don't lose as much because it is a 3v1 map, then you should be awarded fewer points when you win, or subtract more points when you lose.

[Da Dealer]

It would be so much simpler if it could be made so no Points are registered but nate told me it was impossible and

@enzo but you noticed how on the ones that were "cat n mouse" that he never used the 1 cyan because on those (also gen door which cyan has absolutley no chance) the 1 player has about a 2% success rate but on killermart and big blue its alittle more even

[STUDmuffin]

Btw if u think I lose very little points when I lose then ur absolutely wrong. I lose at least 20 points with a lost. So your points assetment is completely off base. Try losing with a high account and see 4 yourself.

This is an old topic that just gets recycled by the same individuals that don't even make up the majority who play this game. Let the players decide if they want to join and play a map that is 3v1. No one is forcing anyone to play this kind of map.

This topic is so old news and is a bore. Just play the game and stop with the whining.

[Da Dealer]

lol thats because the majority dont use forums or focus on the lb that much, its obvious that you do as do i so im trying to see what we can do about a flaw in the system and also........20 is nothing at a rate that high i fall 20 and im 1960 so its not as extreme you should fall 40 or more as i did when i was 2170

[Enzo007]

Da Dealer wrote:

It would be so much simpler if it could be made so no Points are registered but nate told me it was impossible and

@enzo but you noticed how on the ones that were "cat n mouse" that he never used the 1 cyan because on those (also gen door which cyan has absolutley no chance) the 1 player has about a 2% success rate but on killermart and big blue its alittle more even

Your exactly right. The concern is not about 3v1 maps in general, it's more about the 3v1 maps that seem to be more favored to 1 side than the other. For example, in the map "tysons cat and mouse desert remix" you will see that Stud won 23/23 games, and never played as the 1. That alone should raise some eyebrows. Stud seems to be avoiding the 1 on that map for a reason.