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[imsorry]

Im titled to my opinion and clouds a power hungry fxg who cant take a joke and mutes AND bans for no reason <3 imsorry u jew

[aaronpg97a]

imsorry wrote:

Im titled to my opinion and clouds a power hungry fxg who cant take a joke and mutes AND bans for no reason <3 imsorry u jew

1) I agree but cloud is cool
2) you violated forum rules so you may get some consequences
3) suck it up

[Da Dealer]

Lol imsorry isnt the person to make example of he does it to get muted and if cloud abuses power take a freakin picture i mean i could say scott drains money from are bank accounts through are phone but i would need proof

[Duc Van Java]

Another complain to mod cloud..
When it will end...
Hey admins please stop this MADNESS

[wonderer]

I'm sure theirs 3 other cloud pages but he needed to make another.

[imsorry]

aaronpg97a wrote:

imsorry wrote:

Im titled to my opinion and clouds a power hungry fxg who cant take a joke and mutes AND bans for no reason <3 imsorry u jew

1) I agree but cloud is cool
2) you violated forum rules so you may get some consequences
3) suck it up

Sorry wonderbra, im pretty sure mods are suppose to post rules before kicking. Especially for no reason. After my mute and kick i confronted cloud and he had no reason

[imsorry]

Fail i meant aaron not u wonderbra. And yes i did want to make a new page because i didnt want to find the old ones that others made. Also dealer this time it wasnt for the mute. I was in a good conversation when it happened

[Cloud]

If I seem to recall correctly, I did tell you the reason I kicked you. But if I need to jog your memory on what happened, let me know and I'll be sure to let you know. As for the joke, I didn't see one.

[slimjimninja]

Seriously, why are some of you guys annoyed at Cloud? I have never seen him kick or mute anyone when I'm on. I guess I have said that before, but if you guys see Cloud abusing his power, account for it and get the account to Nate!

[Yoshiya]

i havnt seen cloud abuse his power either

[N@TE]

While Ducati's anarchic motive is obvious and I have received reports of poor behavior from Cloud, — which was more of a past problem but is now resurfacing — I have yet to see one spec of evidence that shows Cloud abuses his power. I have said the following before, but apparently some disregarded it, so I'll say it again. There shall not and will not be any McCarthyism in Warfare Incorporated. All claims must have evidence to support them in order for action to be taken. Action will not even be considered for claims that do not have evidence supporting them.

[wonderer]

N@TE wrote:

While Ducati's anarchic motive is obvious and I have received reports of poor behavior from Cloud, — which was more of a past problem but is now resurfacing — I have yet to see one spec of evidence that shows Cloud abuses his power. I have said the following before, but apparently some disregarded it, so I'll say it again. There shall not and will not be any McCarthyism in Warfare Incorporated. All claims must have evidence to support them in order for action to be taken. Action will not even be considered for claims that do not have evidence supporting them.

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I still see players call me "wonderbra" and yet we had a talk about it Nate no mod comes to my defense so what do I call it? Are mods just afk? Have some mods haven't heard about that name? Or is it they think it just went away?

Answer me that Nate should I be mad at the players or the mods/admins?

If a player calls me wonderbra should I take a snapshot of the screen will that prove a mod isn't doing their job.

(FYI we talked about people calling me wonderbra long time ago remeber when I asked you to take down that account)

I asked 2 questions Answer me those questions cause the rules has a big loop hole that let's mods run free letting players call rude names some times but not others.

[Duc Van Java]

What kind of proof?
Be specific please
Every ones pointing thier fingers to cloud,(and isnt a coincidence)
Not to u or sub nor law..
This cloud topic has been taking years and nothin is really
Happenin.. This topic is goin to be buried again for nothin but i assure u
Another one will emerge.
Tell me nate how did cloud bcome a mod?
I have more to say but i have not much time..

[scottlu]

Mods and admins make mistakes - nobody is perfect. We all need to recognize that.

Individual actions, like "mod XYZ muted me once and I didn't agree with it" are difficult to judge either way.

If you have a complaint about a consistent behavior that is wrong, PM Nate or me about it and one of us will look into it. Please don't post mod complaints to the forums.

[Mithoz]

scottlu wrote:

Mods and admins make mistakes - nobody is perfect. We all need to recognize that.

Individual actions, like "mod XYZ muted me once and I didn't agree with it" are difficult to judge either way.

If you have a complaint about a consistent behavior that is wrong, PM Nate or me about it and one of us will look into it. Please don't post mod complaints to the forums.

I pm you Scott before. You always avoid the questions or ask for proof. Then just completely ignore it.

Isn't it a bit hard for someone to produce proof if they get kicked from the room? What proof can they show? They can't take a screenshot of the lobby cos that shows nothing

Also "consisant behavior"? Are you joking? If a mod name has been brought up more than once shouldn't you be looking into it? Look and read, (Duc already said this) you don't see anyone complaining about law, Nate, sub or you abusing their power?

Maybe if you looked into it more you should actually Realise what's going on, instead of asking for proof we cannot provide and just brushing off the matter. It's almost as if you know cloud is doing wrong but you just don't want to admit it and take any action.

[Duc Van Java]

We alwaysHave been told that if u have a problem PM the mods
And weve been doing that since u told us, and what do we get?
We get ignored,..
And about the proof thier askin,
Maybe we shud frame up cloud so they wud believe it..
Whos with me?

[wonderer]

So what will happen if i some how prove with out a dought cloud is abusing his powers.
What then.
Will you saying you need more prof?
Will you say send the message to nate?
Will you say we all make mistakes?
Will you say he over reacted and your sorry?

Cause i heard all those replys from you and other admins but it doesnt help since you refuse to say anything helpfull.

I sent you pictures of cloud in the begining when he first became chat mod. How he treated people before and after he got his powers. (see what happens when you dont listen)

[Cloud]

Ok, I've seen about enough. First off, wonderer, I don't abuse my powers. And listen to what you said "When he first became a chat mod". Thats when I started out. Nobody is perfect at anything when they first start out. Including me.

Mithoz, they can't take sides if they don't have proof. I think they've shown that many times before. And I do believe they have looked in to it. If they say otherwise, then listen to them. And if I am doing wrong then why hasn't something been done? Im sure Scott or Nate would have no trouble removing me from my postion if I was abusing my powers. And also, it is possible to take screenshots. Take them as something is happening, or in this case, take them as I'm abusing my powers.

Duc, the proof they mean are screenshots. Screen shots of me abusing my powers since according to the older part of the community, I do that quite often.

Imsorry, since this is your topic about me abusing my power, why don't you tell everyone what you were doing prior to having a conversation and getting kicked then confronting me about it. I'm sure they would all like to know.

To be honest, I am quite tired of people accusing me of abusing my powers when in reality I dont. There have been many cases where people have said i abused my power but I dont. Take the PUMPmuffin account for instance. I dont believe I need to explain more then that. The name says it all. It seems that people mistake my modding style for abuse. I've had people notice that im strict, and others say I abuse my powers. I think there is a fine line between the two, and I'm on the strict side, not the abusive one. I hope this clears everyones sight up on me being accused of abusing my powers.

[imsorry]

Cloud wrote:

If I seem to recall correctly, I did tell you the reason I kicked you. But if I need to jog your memory on what happened, let me know and I'll be sure to let you know. As for the joke, I didn't see one.

If i need to jog your memory the only warning i got was for the caps WHICH I STOPPED by the way.

[Cloud]

Oh really? That's the only thing you were doing?

[wonderer]

Quote:

Ok, I've seen about enough. First off, wonderer, I don't abuse my powers. And listen to what you said "When he first became a chat mod". Thats when I started out. Nobody is perfect at anything when they first start out. Including me.

Their you go scottlu and Nate theirs your proof he did do it to me. So what know your not going to hold him accountable cause it was long time ago?

Cloud it's not my fault your a slow learner you wanted everyone to learn the rules before you I guess you are a clown.

It proves another point who ever gave you the power to be chat mod is stupid cause their blinded by Internet friend ship.

It's so funny how the general active players have to prove someone is misbehaving while the people in charge sit back and ask for proof Even though they have the power to search for them self.

Cloud your saying "imsorry" did something bad then prove it. Cause it sounds like a he said she said and you don't have any proof he did anything wrong do you? You even admitted it scottlu didn't pick you cause your a fast learner why is your word mean more then "imsorry"?

[Cloud]

What proof wonderer? The proof that I wasn't perfect at modding when I first started? How exactly am I a clown then? Your not making sense wonderer. You call me a clown and talk about how I was trying to get other people to learn the rules before me, but I dont believe Ive broken the rules once. When was the last time youve seen me swearing, or spamming, or in Imsorry's case, room spamming until you get kicked after a warning and the rules posted. And also, I dont think some people like your loaded statements and questions. Oh, and I dont think Scott, Nate, and all the other Administration staff appreciate you calling them stupid.

[wonderer]

Cloud wrote:

What proof wonderer? The proof that I wasn't perfect at modding when I first started? How exactly am I a clown then? Your not making sense wonderer. You call me a clown and talk about how I was trying to get other people to learn the rules before me, but I dont believe Ive broken the rules once. When was the last time youve seen me swearing, or spamming, or in Imsorry's case, room spamming until you get kicked after a warning and the rules posted. And also, I dont think some people like your loaded statements and questions. Oh, and I dont think Scott, Nate, and all the other Administration staff appreciate you calling them stupid.

I stand behind what I said about the "administration staff"

I said 3 questions in my last post
The first one was directed to scottlu.
The second one was directed to cloud.
The third one was directed at cloud or scottlu

I hope that helpes you cloud if it's to complicated then ask again I can try even harder to dumb it down for you.

[imsorry]

Cloud wrote:

Oh really? That's the only thing you were doing?

Your right i was doing other things too but there was no warning issued, no rules posted. The funny part was we had the same accident with conquerer about cursing and u gave him 2-3 warnings. Where i said something and it was mute right away.

[scottlu]

Mithoz wrote:

scottlu wrote:

Mods and admins make mistakes - nobody is perfect. We all need to recognize that.

Individual actions, like "mod XYZ muted me once and I didn't agree with it" are difficult to judge either way.

If you have a complaint about a consistent behavior that is wrong, PM Nate or me about it and one of us will look into it. Please don't post mod complaints to the forums.

I pm you Scott before. You always avoid the questions or ask for proof. Then just completely ignore it.

Isn't it a bit hard for someone to produce proof if they get kicked from the room? What proof can they show? They can't take a screenshot of the lobby cos that shows nothing

Also "consisant behavior"? Are you joking? If a mod name has been brought up more than once shouldn't you be looking into it? Look and read, (Duc already said this) you don't see anyone complaining about law, Nate, sub or you abusing their power?

Maybe if you looked into it more you should actually Realise what's going on, instead of asking for proof we cannot provide and just brushing off the matter. It's almost as if you know cloud is doing wrong but you just don't want to admit it and take any action.

I have PM's going back to Feb '11. Between then and now (1.5 years), I haven't received a PM from you with a complaint about Cloud.

I acknowledge it's hard to see potential chat room issues by the time it gets to me because it's hard to have enough convincing information that there is a consistent problem. A screenshot is just that: one piece of information, and I acknowledge it is difficult / a pain to take screenshots and send them to me.

So let me ask: how can we resolve these disputed situations? Here is an idea: I can add logging of all chat, and all mod commands executed. Then resolving disputes will be a matter of looking up the day and time in the log. All the information would be there. Looking at the log would be limited to myself and Nate.

That is one idea. What are your thoughts? Are there other ideas that you have?

This is important and something I need to be clear about: the mods are doing us all a service, one that is often unappreciated, and it is a lot of work. They help a lot in ways you don't see, as well. I appreciate the help they provide because if we did not have their help, I would need to close down WI permanently. It is too much work for one person to do. Everyone here needs to understand that.

Scott

[Mithoz]

Scott check the pm I sent you December 25 2011.

Also while you are at it answer all the questions I asked you on that pm. The one that included valicious.

Now that I know you still have that pm don't brush it off and answer it to me

[scottlu]

Mithoz wrote:

Scott check the pm I sent you December 25 2011.

Also while you are at it answer all the questions I asked you on that pm. The one that included valicious.

Now that I know you still have that pm don't brush it off and answer it to me

In my previous post, I am offering a constructive path forward. If we can engage on figuring out a workable solution, then we can make progress.

[Duc Van Java]

Yes we do..
All u have to do remove cloud being a chat mod.
Best solution there is.

[scottlu]

1> I need better information. I am proposing a way to have better information.

2> This could happen to any mod, then what? I still need better information.

[berlyhendrawan]

I'm positive thinking when scottlu give power for admin or mods, It for make No Rasist like 2010 (ringor,me,etc) when ppl like war of words bout rasist.
But sometimes mods take his power not like what u want, maybe u must log in as anon when u (scottlu) see mods or admin in the game (chat room), then ull know from ur self.
bout bad words on chat room for happy i think that juz for fun. dont make it a trouble or problems.
this games like life again so dont make it dead again coz "wrong" choice for take mods. Hmmm.. im very disappointed if i remember my best friend & partner "valicious".
Make this games fun NOT others.

[anon583]

I pmed you with a small and fairly simple request about a week ago, I have also asked all admin about it even longer ago (in person), And I still haven't gotten a reply or a straight answer. Tell me if I'm wrong, but it looks like theres no point of pming an admin or telling them about a problem because they won't be answered and solved.

Furthermore, because of this problem i decided to give my accounts away just to see how its dealt with. Have you seen the game room lately? There once was 7 indigos on at once and I just played a 2vs2 that was anon583 and anon583 vs anon583 and anon583. Such a simple thing to fix and yet Nothing has been done. Cloud saw all of us online and u know what he did? He gave us warnings. Wtf does a warning even do? Nothing.


Yes the pictures are huge. I dont care
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[Yoshiya]

mithoz, scottlu made the game he should be able to call the shots

[N104]

Ok guys, lets not get too worked up about this. Untill sombody has proof that cloud is abusing his powers (screenshots) I doubt anything will happen. So if you really think cloud is abusing his powers, get some pictures!
As for as I know, nobody really has proof that cloud is abusing his powers. This is why I think nobody has pictures:
Cloud is a strict mod and when sombody breaks the rules cloud does somthing about it. Players don't like that so they post here that he is abusing his powers. But they don't have proof that he is since there is no proof to get.
Thats my opinion. But nobody cares about it anyway.

About indigo:
I heard (from several players) that indigo came into main and told everybody his password. Because he did that, now several people are logging in on indigo at one time.

[Yoshiya]

i agree with n, nobody has proof and if they do nobody has seen it

[anon583]

N104 im indigo and anon583 and yea i did tell everyone my password... Thats what giving an account away means

[N104]

anon583 wrote:

N104 im indigo and anon583 and yea i did tell everyone my password... Thats what giving an account away means

1 question

1: Why would you tell everybody your pass??

[Yoshiya]

yea why

[anon583]

cause i wanted to be off the leaderboards and no one would listen so i decided to have some fun instead and see what happens

[Yoshiya]

why did u want 2 be off the leaderboard???

[N104]

I thinkin the same as yoshiya...

[anon583]

have you seen them lately?

[N104]

anon583 wrote:

have you seen them lately?

Who?? The admis??

[anon583]

...............the leaderboards

[N104]

Oh. But that still does not explain why you want to get off the leaderboard. And also, why do you want to annoy cloud?

[wonderer]

N104!!! wrote:

Oh. But that still does not explain why you want to get off the leaderboard. And also, why do you want to annoy cloud?

Let me take a crack at this...

Cloud has nothing to do with anon583 problem.
Anon583 asked alot of admins and then mods to take his account off the leaderboard.
Why would he want to be off the leaderboard I don't know. Maybe he wants to join wmw club hehehe.

He was asking have you seen them lately he is probley talking about admins and mods since they haven't replyied to his messages. Maybe the anon didn't notice he just missed scottlu/cloud/Nate.

[Wolfy]

We do take screenshots of cloud abusing his power but admins still don't do shit so why bother

[N104]

wonderer wrote:

N104!!! wrote:

Oh. But that still does not explain why you want to get off the leaderboard. And also, why do you want to annoy cloud?

Let me take a crack at this...

Cloud has nothing to do with anon583 problem.
Anon583 asked alot of admins and then mods to take his account off the leaderboard.
Why would he want to be off the leaderboard I don't know. Maybe he wants to join wmw club hehehe.

He was asking have you seen them lately he is probley talking about admins and mods since they haven't replyied to his messages. Maybe the anon didn't notice he just missed scottlu/cloud/Nate.

Indigo told me he told everybody his password to annoy the mods but mainlly cloud.

Wolfy wrote:

We do take screenshots of cloud abusing his power but admins still don't do fece so why bother

Well then if you do have screenshots of cloud abusing his powers, PM them to N@TE or Scottlu.

[slimjimninja]

This has gone on far too long. How 'bout you all who think Cloud is guilty give him a second chance, and if he abuses his power any time from now to forever, all are obligated to take a screenshot of it and pm it to Nate or Scottlu.

[N104]

slimjimninja wrote:

This has gone on far too long. How 'bout you all who think Cloud is guilty give him a second chance, and if he abuses his power any time from now to forever, all are obligated to take a screenshot of it and pm it to Nate or Scottlu.

Yes! I completely agree with Slim!!

[wonderer]

slimjimninja wrote:

This has gone on far too long. How 'bout you all who think Cloud is guilty give him a second chance, and if he abuses his power any time from now to forever, all are obligated to take a screenshot of it and pm it to Nate or Scottlu.

yawn

[anon583]

@104 please dont put words into my mouth. I never said that and would have no need to say that, AKA think before you speak kid.

@wondy you almost got the whole story. when i said have you seen them lately i meant the leaderboards...... I have no point on being on them. I play once a week on anon583 and got 4 other accounts into the top 25.

Most people on the top arent worth playing against so its no achievement to have a higher score than them.

[scottlu]

Quote:

From scottlu: how can we resolve these disputed situations? Here is an idea: I can add logging of all chat, and all mod commands executed. Then resolving disputes will be a matter of looking up the day and time in the log. All the information would be there. Looking at the log would be limited to myself and Nate

The above is what works for me. It is much better than screenshots, because:

1) I will have all the information about any situation on the game server.

2) screenshots are cumbersome to send around. With the above, nobody will need to send me screenshots.

Unless anyone has a better solution, I will put this in place this weekend.

Scott

[wonderer]

scottlu wrote:

So let me ask: how can we resolve these disputed situations? Here is an idea: I can add logging of all chat, and all mod commands executed. Then resolving disputes will be a matter of looking up the day and time in the log. All the information would be there. Looking at the log would be limited to myself and Nate.

That is one idea. What are your thoughts? Are there other ideas that you have?

Scott

I still can't find a good enough reason why you would do this.

Look at the pumping problem if someone reports to a admin that someone is pumping then the admin is supposed to go look at their game history and subtract points if they are cheating.

The admins don't go back to the person to say They are cheating or not. The person who reports the problem is supposed to trust the person in charge.
(Which I found out it's flawed cause I reported a problem and a few days later I asked nate but he never got the message from the mod.((cloud)))

If that doesn't make since then this should. If I tell Nate or you the time and date of the problem. Both of you arent obligated to get back with me to say who was right and who was worng.
I'm only going by on how I was treated when I reported pumping back in the day their was no telling if the problem was ever looked into.

[scottlu]

wonderer wrote:

scottlu wrote:

So let me ask: how can we resolve these disputed situations? Here is an idea: I can add logging of all chat, and all mod commands executed. Then resolving disputes will be a matter of looking up the day and time in the log. All the information would be there. Looking at the log would be limited to myself and Nate.

That is one idea. What are your thoughts? Are there other ideas that you have?

Scott

I still can't find a good enough reason why you would do this.

Look at the pumping problem if someone reports to a admin that someone is pumping then the admin is supposed to go look at their game history and subtract points if they are cheating.

The admins don't go back to the person to say They are cheating or not. The person who reports the problem is supposed to trust the person in charge.
(Which I found out it's flawed cause I reported a problem and a few days later I asked nate but he never got the message from the mod.((cloud)))

If that doesn't make since then this should. If I tell Nate or you the time and date of the problem. Both of you arent obligated to get back with me to say who was right and who was worng.
I'm only going by on how I was treated when I reported pumping back in the day their was no telling if the problem was ever looked into.

That's a good point and it is true, there is no obligation. However it is better than having no information or inconclusive information, right? At least the information will be available so that something can be done. Right now we don't have enough of that.

Even with the information I may take a side you don't like. However, if there is inappropriate behavior, I will see it and can address it.

Pumping in comparison is a tough problem because it isn't always cut and dry, and takes an enormous amount of work to resolve (admin-ing WI is a lot of work).

[N104]

Btw anon583 I do think before I speak. A person logged in as indigo (may not have been you since you told all your pass) told me that's they gave their pass away to annoy all the mods but mainly cloud. Whether it was you or not (or sombody logged in as you) I will not speak of the matter here any longer.


And I think a chat logger would be a good idea Scott. It would help solve many problems. And you admins could REALLY happens in the chat room when you leave. Lol.

[wonderer]

N104!!! wrote:

And I think a chat logger would be a good idea Scott. It would help solve many problems. And you admins could REALLY happens in the chat room when you leave. Lol.

You said " and you admins could REALLY happens in the chat room when you leave."

The word "happens" is supposed to be? "Help"

So does that mean people like n104 can report players for miss be having too.

If it's true then that's a nother flaw. What's going to happen to the player getting reported will he be kicked from the game cause a random player reports him?

[N104]

wonderer wrote:

N104!!! wrote:

And I think a chat logger would be a good idea Scott. It would help solve many problems. And you admins could REALLY happens in the chat room when you leave. Lol.

You said " and you admins could REALLY happens in the chat room when you leave."

The word "happens" is supposed to be? "Help"

So does that mean people like n104 can report players for miss be having too.

If it's true then that's a nother flaw. What's going to happen to the player getting reported will he be kicked from the game cause a random player reports him?

what really happens?
Just sit in the chat room when the right players are in main and everybody knows there is no mod and see what happens. Flaws or no flaws, I'm suprized there has been no chat logging system before.... Somthing is needed...

[Wolfy]

@n104

CUZ THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING READ ALL MY POST BEFORE POSTING SOMETHING DUMB

[N104]

Wolfy wrote:

@n104

CUZ THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING READ ALL MY POST BEFORE POSTING SOMETHING DUMB

i still think scott's idea is worth a shot.

[Duc Van Java]

About this chat logging,
U shud remember the exact time and date when u report
some one right?
If scott dont have no time reading his pm,
How could he make time checkin the
chats?(helloo r u ok???? R u still in one piece??)
My suggestion? "if" really cant let go "that precious mod"
I think u shud limit thier powers based on thier personality, way of thinkin
And age. Some are mature and some does not.
But wait, do u really know what ur mods made off?
"i hope so"
To:n104
Most of ur reply are off topic, i strongly suggest
U stay out of here..
Spammer?

[N104]

I would debate the fact that my posts are spam, but since my input is obviously not wanted here, then here it shall not be.

[imsorry]

slimjimninja wrote:

This has gone on far too long. How 'bout you all who think Cloud is guilty give him a second chance, and if he abuses his power any time from now to forever, all are obligated to take a screenshot of it and pm it to Nate or Scottlu.

MERCY IS OF THE WEAK. there shall be no 2nd chances for high power. Why dont you give obama a 2nd chance for screwing the country up!

[wonderer]

imsorry wrote:

slimjimninja wrote:

This has gone on far too long. How 'bout you all who think Cloud is guilty give him a second chance, and if he abuses his power any time from now to forever, all are obligated to take a screenshot of it and pm it to Nate or Scottlu.

MERCY IS OF THE WEAK. there shall be no 2nd chances for high power. Why dont you give obama a 2nd chance for screwing the country up!

I'm sure you can say that to every president so don't act like Obama is any worse

[trineroks]

imsorry wrote:

MERCY IS FOR THE WEAK.

[wonderer]

trineroks wrote:

imsorry wrote:

MERCY IS FOR THE WEAK.

just cause you are a admin doesnt mean you can break the rules arent you supposed to be setting an example for the rest of us?

heres the rules trine

http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=7113

[scottlu]

Duc Van Java wrote:

About this chat logging,
U shud remember the exact time and date when u report
some one right?
If scott dont have no time reading his pm,
How could he make time checkin the
chats?(helloo r u ok???? R u still in one piece??)
My suggestion? "if" really cant let go "that precious mod"
I think u shud limit thier powers based on thier personality, way of thinkin
And age. Some are mature and some does not.
But wait, do u really know what ur mods made off?
"i hope so"
To:n104
Most of ur reply are off topic, i strongly suggest
U stay out of here..
Spammer?

I'm putting in place the logging so I can have the information I'll need if any mod change is to be made. Note this puts more pressure on mods to make sure they are being correct, however that is a benefit to all players. The other is to have a log of literally everything that occurs on the game server, so issues can be identified and fixed, whether mod related or not.

So players don't need to remember the day and time of an incident, I'll add a command that anyone can issue. Something like /report. When you think there is a problem, type in /report. An entry in the log will be made with your player name. This way you don't need to remember the time. Just tell me what user name you were using, then I can find in the log where you did the /report and look to see what was going on there.

I'll get this written and deployed this weekend.

[imsorry]

trineroks wrote:

imsorry wrote:

MERCY IS FOR THE WEAK.

Love the picture by way

[Wolfy]

Imsorry !!!!

[imsorry]

wonderer wrote:

imsorry wrote:

slimjimninja wrote:

This has gone on far too long. How 'bout you all who think Cloud is guilty give him a second chance, and if he abuses his power any time from now to forever, all are obligated to take a screenshot of it and pm it to Nate or Scottlu.

MERCY IS OF THE WEAK. there shall be no 2nd chances for high power. Why dont you give obama a 2nd chance for screwing the country up!

I'm sure you can say that to every president so don't act like Obama is any worse

George washington. Abe lincoln. Teddy rosevelt. FDR dwight eisenhower JFK. Regean. Need i continue?

[imsorry]

Wolfy wrote:

Imsorry !!!!

Get on bro. -_-

[imsorry]

Because scotts post is to long for my ipod ill just add this. You also need to look at it from a player point of view. So today i logged on, no mods were even on and players were swearing a storm up at someone. Instantly logged off. But what im saying is you need to set a few rules on the mods so they arent going back idk lets say 4 hours ago when no mod was on and giving punishments for what happened those 4 hours ago

[scottlu]

imsorry wrote:

Because scotts post is to long for my ipod ill just add this. You also need to look at it from a player point of view. So today i logged on, no mods were even on and players were swearing a storm up at someone. Instantly logged off. But what im saying is you need to set a few rules on the mods so they arent going back idk lets say 4 hours ago when no mod was on and giving punishments for what happened those 4 hours ago

I agree with that.

[wonderer]

You could understand what "imsorry" is saying?

[Da Dealer]

imsorry i think it would only be looked at if someone asked scott to look at it, hes not gonna sit down and read every word in chat to bust some for the the F word

[wonderer]

Let's hope scottlu and Nate are ready for the /report spam attack

I have a question so your going to try to have it so all we do is type /report or something.

So if I see a problem in the chat room and I type / what ever what's going to happen?
Like do you or Nate get a message telling you have a chat room problem?

Or do the players have to type the /report and have to login into the forums and message both of you so you can look into it? ( cause alot of players don't vist the forums from what I heard)

And how do we know if you ever got the alert? Will you be sending us a message saying you got the alert from the chat room?

[scottlu]

wonderer wrote:

Let's hope scottlu and Nate are ready for the /report spam attack

I have a question so your going to try to have it so all we do is type /report or something.

So if I see a problem in the chat room and I type / what ever what's going to happen?
Like do you or Nate get a message telling you have a chat room problem?

Or do the players have to type the /report and have to login into the forums and message both of you so you can look into it? ( cause alot of players don't vist the forums from what I heard)

And how do we know if you ever got the alert? Will you be sending us a message saying you got the alert from the chat room?

When you do a /report, a marker will get written to the log, like a bookmark with your name on it, so that it can be found easily later.

The /report doesn't mail or alert anyone. You need to PM and tell us what the problem is, then we can look and we will have all the info in the log.

I hope it isn't a flood of PMs, or if it is, that it settles down after awhile. We'll see how it goes.

[scottlu]

Current plan is to not log chat in private rooms or games. Does that seem reasonable? I won't be able to see bad behavior there, so if you'd like to do /report from those places, let me know and I'll consider logging those too.

[wonderer]

I say it's better not to. only cause you don't want anyone looking at what your talking about.(clan talk and friend talk)

If anything the people who don't like what's being said they can leave.

I see a loop hole know

You make it so the comand doesn't work in the private rooms.
But I make the room private with the password in the tittle of the room.
So anyone can enter and but they can't use the comand.

A mod enters the private room and starts muting players for cursing then who's to blame sinces it is "a private room" but the comand doesn't work so then a new topic is made talking about mods entering a mod free zone

I don't think you answered my question scottlu. Can other players use the comand on other players or is this comand just for telling on mods?

[scottlu]

wonderer wrote:

I say it's better not to. only cause you don't want anyone looking at what your talking about.(clan talk and friend talk)

If anything the people who don't like what's being said they can leave.

I see a loop hole know

You make it so the comand doesn't work in the private rooms.
But I make the room private with the password in the tittle of the room.
So anyone can enter and but they can't use the comand.

A mod enters the private room and starts muting players for cursing then who's to blame sinces it is "a private room" but the comand doesn't work so then a new topic is made talking about mods entering a mod free zone

I don't think you answered my question scottlu. Can other players use the comand on other players or is this comand just for telling on mods?

About the mod entering a private room because he knows the password and doing mod commands: let's wait to see if that ends up being a problem.

You can use /report for any situation, mods or players, if you think an admin needs to know about it. Ideally a mod is there that can help if it is one player verbally abusing another.

[wonderer]

Let's say someone reports me will I get a message?

[scottlu]

Nobody gets a message. It just writes a bookmark in the log. If someone uses it because of some incident then tells an admin, the admin can go take a look, and find that bookmark, and see what happened at that point in the log.

Maybe it should be named different? It's more of a bookmark in the log, than a report. Is /bookmark, or /mark better?

[wonderer]

But then whats the point of reporting on any player that isn't a mod? Will you ban them or kick them for so many days?

If you notice flip(I think that's his account name) posts about "imsorry" and If the flip person typed the comand in and sent you message what would happen to "imsorry"?

Kick?
ban?
nothing?

I dont see a point if your not going to do anything about it.
(I'm just using imsorry as a current example)

Maybe you should name it /snitch or /tattle

[Duc Van Java]

May i suggest?
I think this was brought out before,
Why dont we have private rooms wer the mods has
No power on it, is that simple?
Instead of reporting, checkin logs
Etc etc and leaving only the filters,
If i make my own private room,
It means totally "private" that when a mod
Tries to enter it totally shut down
His commands.
Is that possible to do?

[trineroks]

Duc Van Java wrote:

May i suggest?
I think this was brought out before,
Why dont we have private rooms wer the mods has
No power on it, is that simple?
Instead of reporting, checkin logs
Etc etc and leaving only the filters,
If i make my own private room,
It means totally "private" that when a mod
Tries to enter it totally shut down
His commands.
Is that possible to do?

This was discussed before; mods are not supposed to come into private rooms and moderate them anyway.

[scottlu]

wonderer wrote:

But then whats the point of reporting on any player that isn't a mod? Will you ban them or kick them for so many days?

If you notice flip(I think that's his account name) posts about "imsorry" and If the flip person typed the comand in and sent you message what would happen to "imsorry"?

Kick?
ban?
nothing?

I dont see a point if your not going to do anything about it.
(I'm just using imsorry as a current example)

Maybe you should name it /snitch or /tattle

Our jobs as admins and mods is to make the game a safe and fun place to play and be part of the community. There is no change in that responsibility. The difference is that the chat log tells us what was happening during one of these incidents in full detail. It won't be two people accusing each other, or one person accusing and the other denying. The log will tell it all.

/snitch and /tattle are both good names.

[scottlu]

trineroks wrote:

Duc Van Java wrote:

May i suggest?
I think this was brought out before,
Why dont we have private rooms wer the mods has
No power on it, is that simple?
Instead of reporting, checkin logs
Etc etc and leaving only the filters,
If i make my own private room,
It means totally "private" that when a mod
Tries to enter it totally shut down
His commands.
Is that possible to do?

This was discussed before; mods are not supposed to come into private rooms and moderate them anyway.

Isn't it easier to make a private room and not share the password with the mods? Then the mod can't get in. Or is it that you want the filter to be turned off?

[Duc Van Java]

trineroks wrote:

Duc Van Java wrote:

May i suggest?
I think this was brought out before,
Why dont we have private rooms wer the mods has
No power on it, is that simple?
Instead of reporting, checkin logs
Etc etc and leaving only the filters,
If i make my own private room,
It means totally "private" that when a mod
Tries to enter it totally shut down
His commands.
Is that possible to do?

This was discussed before; mods are not supposed to come into private rooms and moderate them anyway.

to trine:Mods are not supposed to,
But it already happend, if im not mistaken this happened to wondy
To scott:mods has the power to see passwords on a private room,
I was saying leave the filter and take of the power of a mod when he tries
To enter in a private room..
U feel me?

[wonderer]

I think it was dr. Diggles who made the room cause he got muted in the other chat room so he made a new room. Then I was in their talking with him he was making jokes and cursing then I think it was n104!!! Entered the room he tried to make diggles stop cursing. Then n104!!! Left and brought a chat mood to the room and laid down the law which pissed us off.

The room wasn't priavte.

How fun would it had been if diggles(if it was him) would had been the only person in the room?

The mod was asked to leave and n104!!!(if it was him) Was asked to leave too

If you make a room with only a filter and no mod can mute or kick anyone you will see that would stop help everyone.

What if you made a locked room so it won't disappear and you posted the password on the forum. It would still be a "private room" since not everyone saw that post.

[scottlu]

Duc Van Java wrote:

trineroks wrote:

Duc Van Java wrote:

May i suggest?
I think this was brought out before,
Why dont we have private rooms wer the mods has
No power on it, is that simple?
Instead of reporting, checkin logs
Etc etc and leaving only the filters,
If i make my own private room,
It means totally "private" that when a mod
Tries to enter it totally shut down
His commands.
Is that possible to do?

This was discussed before; mods are not supposed to come into private rooms and moderate them anyway.

to trine:Mods are not supposed to,
But it already happend, if im not mistaken this happened to wondy
To scott:mods has the power to see passwords on a private room,
I was saying leave the filter and take of the power of a mod when he tries
To enter in a private room..
U feel me?

Mods can't see the passwords to private rooms. They could only know it if somebody told them, or if the password were posted publicly.

Given this, do private rooms already give you what you want?

[Duc Van Java]

Im sorry my bad,
Let me revise my suggestion,
I was saying that this "private room"
What i mean is adding another room to
The lobby(if possible) that totaly dis ableling mods
commands or mods cannot interfere
And letting only the filter works on his own.
U following me scott?
Im sorry for my english for not that fluent.

[scottlu]

Duc Van Java wrote:

Im sorry my bad,
Let me revise my suggestion,
I was saying that this "private room"
What i mean is adding another room to
The lobby(if possible) that totaly dis ableling mods
commands or mods cannot interfere
And letting only the filter works on his own.
U following me scott?
Im sorry for my english for not that fluent.

You mean an unmoderated, public room? I'll think about that.

While we're on the topic of rooms, does anybody use the registered room or can I remove it?

[Duc Van Java]

why do i have bad feeling evrytime people say
Let me think about it, it doesnt happen always.
About the reg room If u ask me,
Nobodys usin it i guess.. I often saw some
People usin reg. room.

[wonderer]

Swap it to the top every so often unless you need the space. I rather not play with anons but theirs just so many players who rather talk then play.

[Mithoz]

registered room is like so ancient and part of wi it'd hate to see it go lol. Just like that other server..

[N@TE]

scottlu wrote:

Nobody gets a message. It just writes a bookmark in the log. If someone uses it because of some incident then tells an admin, the admin can go take a look, and find that bookmark, and see what happened at that point in the log.

Maybe it should be named different? It's more of a bookmark in the log, than a report. Is /bookmark, or /mark better?

There is no command that is more than six letters, so let's keep it short. How about /tag or /cite? I particularly like /cite because it seems to be more what we're looking for — a citation in the chat for when someone caused trouble. /cite is also good because it could even be a mod command as well as a player command. Mods could type in /cite for future reference if needed. Using /cite would be very simple and short; it's professional, easy to remember, and it makes sense.

[wonderer]

So why would the mod want to reference something If they cant see the chat log?

[imsorry]

Now that we have moved on past the mods after you are done discussing these new changes will you delete or lock the post scott. I dont feel like posting much about this anymore.

[wonderer]

imsorry wrote:

Now that we have moved on past the mods after you are done discussing these new changes will you delete or lock the post scott. I dont feel like posting much about this anymore.

Then why didn't you just send a message?

[scottlu]

imsorry wrote:

Now that we have moved on past the mods after you are done discussing these new changes will you delete or lock the post scott. I dont feel like posting much about this anymore.

Yes I'll delete the thread after the changes go live - hopefully I'll be able to do that by tonight.

[scottlu]

Please try out the Twilight Zone server and let me know what you think.

Check /help for the /mark command. I'll be changing that to /flag.

[Duc Van Java]

Thx for the feedback scottlu,
Are u gonna kill the 7th dimension server?..

[scottlu]

Yes, pretty soon, either tonight or tomorrow. I want to make sure all the changes in the Twilight zone server work properly first.

[Mithoz]

2 servers bring back memories haha

[trineroks]

Mithoz wrote:

2 servers bring back memories haha

Except both are US servers . RIP Europe.

[scottlu]

Duc Van Java wrote:

Thx for the feedback scottlu,
Are u gonna kill the 7th dimension server?..

The new server looks good so I killed 7th dimension. Any issues, let me know.

I plan to delete this thread soon, probably tomorrow.

[sam]

Why would you delect this thread why don't you lock it to keep the history of what people had been talking about?