End the Clan Monopoly

[redscorpion]

It seems Warfare Incorporated has lost track of its original purpose in Clan Wars. We have developed a clan "monopoly". Two, to be precise.

Viet Pride and Van Java

A heightened sense of clan domination has recently developed, with an increasing number of lesser clans slowly deteriorating. Top players have no motivation or necessity to join a weaker clan, when they can simply converge to a dominating clan. We have moved beyond the proposal of Clan WARS and have evolved into simply a Clan WAR between two powerhouses.

This essentially ruins the spirit of clans.

Clan Monopolization must end to preserve the purpose of Clan Wars.
1) Limit the allowed number of members in a given clan at any time to be no more than 10.
-There needs to be a maximum number of 10 players allowed for a clan. The proposed number is the exact amount necessary to maintain a strong clan. 5 Clan Representatives, and 5 Clan Substitutes. Any more is simply excess and serves no purpose, except to limit the possibility of clan diversity and competition.

2) Require each clan to post a CLEAR, VISIBLE, and CONCISE list of all ten members in their clan.
-To allow a clan to qualify for clan wars, in addition to capping the member quantity at 10, each clan needs to post an announcement on their respective pages with a list of their 10 members, so that there is no ambiguity or misunderstanding as to who is a participant of the clan. As such, players may not claim to be in a given clan unless their name is on the list of said clan. As to who qualifies and is on each list, that is left to the discretion of the clan themselves.


I understand that we currently have clans exceeding 10 players, including the monopolies of Van Java and Viet Pride. This is not an attack on these clans, seeing as I have no clan, so my judgement is completely third party. To help restore the spirit of Clan WARS over Clan WAR, it should be necessary to cut your members until you have no more than 10, 5 representatives and 5 substitutes. It is depreciating the value of clan competition when there are only two major clans battling it out, with lesser clans to pick up the pieces. I hope that these suggestions may help Warfare Incorporated to revive Clan Warfare, by creating more diversity, and less of a single clan or two. The top 25 should not be divided into a few clans.

Questions and comments are welcome.

[Blake van java]

Lol.... Here are javas 10 members

1- berly
2-val
3-mole
4-rully
5-wish
6-brian
7-mat
8-war
9-me
10-duc

As you can see we meet your 10 member configuration rule, i for one however do not agree with it if players in the top clans wanted to end clan diversity they would be in one clan, also if you would like to take down the current top 2 best clans the lower clans would have to become better, whichthe reset will set us all to the same reflection of our skills, so that your so called clan monopolies are all equal however there is one point i will agree with on your arguement, it is ten players to a clan, but i would like to change that to 10 active members

[wonderer]

I understand but viet pride and the javas alwasy had the best players even when boss clan was here. they still had more topplayers then all other clans.

you talk about "It seems Warfare Incorporated has lost track of its original purpose in Clan Wars. We have developed a clan "monopoly". Two, to be precise. "

but wasent red the one who brought "Lolz" "demon" and "wrath of math" together? or was it just a rumor that it was you? if it wasn't for red their would be 5 low ranked clans other then 3 low ranked clans that are still around.

some one posted that people just hope to the next coolest clan it seems that way but. no one really wants to take a risk and have to shut down their own clan (it feels real bad)

some one could step up and try to creat a new clan. but they don't have the spunk to keep it rolling. maybe cause their not like me I guess or something.

[N@TE]

Along with the reset of the regular leaderboard, naturally, the Forum Clan Leaderboard must also be reset due to it being based off of an average rating. This should even clans out for a little while until the regular leaderbaord reestablishes itself.

If most players agree to your idea, Red, then the ten-player-per-clan-limit rule could be implemented in a way. I agree with it, and I will discuss among the other admins including Sub especially. Perhaps we can come to a rule where if you have more than ten members in your clan you can't be on the Forum Clan Leaderboard, but as stated before, this will have to be discussed first.

[wonderer]

Blake you missed kempa in your list

"but i would like to change that to 10 active members"

yeah me to but if their not active then thats nothing I can do since they don't say they want to leave the clan. and imnot about to kick any of my members for not being active for a none paying game.

ducati isn't acitve cause he plays a few games so his points don't drop and mole and kempa and warkilla just came back into the picture how long do you think they will stay and rule and brain van java when was the last time you see them play. so what you are saying." but i would like to change that to 10 active members" brain and rull should be kicked out is that what you are saying Blake?

[wonderer]

I don't like the idea since red joined all three clan together and now he has a change of hart. and what happens if we do go past our 10 member limit? are you going to quartine our clans for have a big clan?

[redscorpion]

As far as who is on each clan's membership list, that is up to the clan itself. If Van Java wants active members or doesn't that is there decision. Of course having inactive members would be wasting a valuable spot.


I was involved in the "A-Team" - "Demon" merge. It was more of a last-second effort to prevent Demon from dying after Lawrence and trine quit.


Exactly. My proposal would only affect the Forum Clan Leaderboard. This is primarily designed for later, perhaps February, when a consistent leaderboard has been established. Regarfing bragging rights, to each his own.

[Blake van java]

Also as wondy ssid van java and vp have always been top clans with fop players, and the members, leaders, and owners intend to keep it that way, so really the only thing that could happen to help "prevent these clans from further superiority" the lower players would have to step their game up and the lower clans would have to as well, i do not think it would be fsir however to cut the current clans for the members tried hard to get in the clan and it would be like a big smack in the face on week once you are in the clan to be forced out by red mods and admins and also some clans like clouds are beginning to make a name for themselves, if you want to reduce the authority from van java and viet pride you need new talent, training, and a few top players in your clan, now the current top clans were creates with the purpose of honoring top players and creating a "society" for them, they did that by setting their expectations high and being patient, many clans out their are beginning to bud, and if more came upthere would be more of a chance, what should happen is clanless top 100 players (maybe groups of 2 or 3 of them) should gt together create a clan amd stay active, recruiting and training as they go along however red's idea of 10 player per clan could be a probelm for some clans, because some of us have some inactive "shoes to fill" or so to speak, the point is basically if you would like to reduce your "clan monopolies" create more raw talent by training newer players

[redscorpion]

wonderer wrote:

and what happens if we do go past our 10 member limit? are you going to quartine our clans for have a big clan?

I don't have a clan, so this has no effect on me.

And essentially, yes. There is no point in having a 20 member clan. All that does is create less competition.

[berly van java]

LOLZ.....
VAN JAVA have rules for joining = read my post..
van java active members only 7 (seven).
VAN JAVA have a Higher standar to recuitment and IDK how bout another clan..
so, dont be jealous with van java

[redscorpion]

I am proposing:

-No more than 10 members.
- A published list of those 10 members.

As far as who they are, that is the clan's decision. But if everyone joins one clan, then Clan Wars will deteriorate. Top players will simply be beating up lesser players.

[Golden]

redscorpion wrote:

I was involved in the "A-Team" - "Demon" merge. It was more of a last-second effort to prevent Demon from dying after Lawrence and trine quit.

Didnt last long did it?
Out of all the "minor" clans i believe Demon has the most potential.

Also I think 8 Would be a better number.

[redscorpion]

Why eight? I chose 10 so that there are 5 representatives, and 5 substitutes, one for each clan rep.

[Blake van java]

Golden wrote:

redscorpion wrote:

I was involved in the "A-Team" - "Demon" merge. It was more of a last-second effort to prevent Demon from dying after Lawrence and trine quit.

Didnt last long did it?
Out of all the "minor" clans i believe Demon has the most potential.

Also I think 8 Would be a better number.

8 would be a terrible number... That would limit any to all growth and or development of players

[Golden]

redscorpion wrote:

Why eight? I chose 10 so that there are 5 representatives, and 5 substitutes, one for each clan rep.

I understand what you are getting at but there are a limited numbe rof players as it is so 3 subs should be enough. There are at least always 2 always active players in a clan:

In demon it was Me and You

In java there are several

In VP wonderer and Sam

By decreasing it to 8 that increases the effieciency of making competition yet still is a solid number to hold up the reps

[wonderer]

all now that viet pride isn't going to take javas throw away members cause they didn't make the cut for the final ten.

[Wolfy]

I'm active in vp too golden

[Golden]

sorry.

And Wolfy too

[N@TE]

Golden wrote:

Also I think 8 Would be a better number.

Let's not get too fancy with numbers here. We could make it a max of 15 players if we wanted to. We can discuss numbers after we agree on the main idea.

The point is this: do clans want to have a limit on the number of players that are allowed to be in their clan? Doing this would maximize the amount of clan competition, however, clans may not want to be regulated. If clan leaders want to have complete dictation over their clan members, then so be it. Being a clan leader is similar to leading (and sometimes controlling) a small group of people in the way that you prefer. As long as it doesn't break the main rules of WI (Chat Room and forum behavior rules), then it's fine. However, setting a new rule to yourself may be challenging and may require to time to contemplate and process it. This is more a decision of the clan leaders than anyone else. If the clan leaders can come to a compliance, then the admins can surely support that decision. If not, then this idea is thrown into the drain waiting for another idea to arise. The big question I now ask to all clan leaders is this: do you want your member count to be limited in order to increase competition?

[redscorpion]

We have the same philosophy it seems Golden. Just slight variations in the number of players. Perhaps tomorrow's friday chat can include a discussion on this, checking out the opinions of Scott, Sub, and Co.

[Blake van java]

Here is a link to van javas regulations

http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=5783&start=0

[redscorpion]

Technically speaking, nobody wants to have regulatioms placed on them. It depends on whether they think it is best or not for the game as a whole. A group sacrifice.

[Golden]

N@TE wrote:

Golden wrote:

Also I think 8 Would be a better number.

Let's not get too fancy with numbers here. We could make it a max of 15 players if we wanted to. We can discuss numbers after we agree to the main idea.

The point is this: do clans want to have a limit on the number of players that are allowed to be in their clan? Doing this would maximize the amount of clan competition, however, clans may not want to be regulated. If clan leaders want to have complete dictation over their clan members, then so be it. Being a clan leader is similar to leading (and sometimes controlling) a small group of people in the way that you prefer. As long as it doesn't break the main rules of WI (Chat Room and forum behavior rules), then it's fine. However, setting a new rule to yourself may be challenging and may require to time to contemplate and process it. This is more a decision of the clan leaders than anyone else. If the clan leaders can come to a compliance, then the admins can surely support that decision. If not, then this idea is thrown into the drain waiting for another idea to arise. The big question I now ask to all clan leaders is this: do you want your member count to be limited?

Yes!! This will contribute to:

-Clan ExclusivenessThis will basically make more clans because they will be more like cliques. More people will want to have their own exclusive clan.
Its like what america needs!! More smaller corperations and less BIG Generic industrailized ones



ALSO: PLease revive the 2 ID only idea!! PLEASE

[Golden]

redscorpion wrote:

We have the same philosophy it seems Golden. Just slight variations in the number of players. Perhaps tomorrow's friday chat can include a discussion on this, checking out the opinions of Scott, Sub, and Co.

Can you make it saturday? I wont be back at my houose with wifi ny friday

[Blake van java]

How are u posting this then, this is an internet based forum and to acess the internet from a mobile device u need wifi, 3g, a connector to an internet port, or a mobile hotspot

[Blake van java]

wonderer wrote:

Blake you missed kempa in your list

"but i would like to change that to 10 active members"

yeah me to but if their not active then thats nothing I can do since they don't say they want to leave the clan. and imnot about to kick any of my members for not being active for a none paying game.

ducati isn't acitve cause he plays a few games so his points don't drop and mole and kempa and warkilla just came back into the picture how long do you think they will stay and rule and brain van java when was the last time you see them play. so what you are saying." but i would like to change that to 10 active members" brain and rull should be kicked out is that what you are saying Blake?

No they should stay, what i mean is that you can have as many inactive members as you like, but as the conversation jas carried on i realized i co pletley oppose clan regulations... And kemp has not officially cleared all tryouts and made a van java acc so i did not put him up

[redscorpion]

Golden wrote:

redscorpion wrote:

We have the same philosophy it seems Golden. Just slight variations in the number of players. Perhaps tomorrow's friday chat can include a discussion on this, checking out the opinions of Scott, Sub, and Co.

Can you make it saturday? I wont be back at my houose with wifi ny friday

Saturday works. I'll need to start getting my ID's up

[Golden]

Blake van java wrote:

How are u posting this then, this is an internet based forum and to acess the internet from a mobile device u need wifi, 3g, a connector to an internet port, or a mobile hotspot

Theres no wifi where im at lol

[Blake van java]

Then how u on the internet?

[Mithoz]

Don't hate van java or Viet. These clans are what they are now because top players decided to create a clan and other top players join.

Bu all clans start small before they are big.

Viet has largely just another clan for a long time before Wonderer join vp, van java was largely inactive except for mole and no one wanted to join until I join van java.

All clans go through rough patches and always start small but if stay with the clan through the rough patches that clan can become big.

Red if you are annoyed about our dominance you should have stayed with your clan and help it to attract top players. It is for this exact reason other clans are not attracting big players because when there is a problem top players leave.

Don't hate clans.

[Blake van java]

Forceful argument, well put comrade

[Cloud]

1. Thank you Blake for noticing my clan.

2. There is a problem with the top player training method. And that is that every time a top player comes out of a clan, he/she decides to go solo or gets recruited by VP or VJ. It's very hard for lesser clans to get good people because they are always snatched up by the older and better clans.

3. You guys do have to remember that a 10 person limit per clan means that there will be new clans popping up left and right plus that doesn't solve the "Clan Monopoly" problem.

4. Golden, Demon is not the only clan with potiental. Just because you have alot of members dosent mean they are good. But if you want to base it off of how many members you have then my clan has the most potential.

5. One idea I heard about was from Cal Abbo. He asked if there were any underachiever clans. He said that because he knew how hard it is to get into clans. So why not start underachiever clans? We can put 1 top player and 1 fairly well player at the head of a clan. Then they train the clan members. Like an academy. Then when they reach a certain limit, they are moved out of the clan and into the WI community and be recruited by clans. That's way there is no fighting over what clan got the better person because they all had the same basic training.

6. I say no. We shouldn't limit the number of members in a clan. But more so have the competition part of a clan and the rest of the clan. Like the clans elite players go on the top ten and the rest are the normal players that are on a seperate list. Also to cut down on the confusion of who is in what clan, there should be a roster of people not currently in clans, and next to their names are their ranking and a * if they want to be recruited and nothing if they don't.

What's do you guys think?

[redscorpion]

I don't even have a clan. I'm a complete third party. For the good of all players, not just top ones, there should be more clans, only possible if there is a limit to the max number of players. I'm not hating anyone.

[redscorpion]

Hypothetical:

Let's say Viet Pride and Van Java merge. Then where are the clan wars? We need more clans. Two big clans fighting it out is frankly, boring.

[Blake van java]

Why would we merge? And i do agree we need more serious clans!!

[Mithoz]

redscorpion wrote:

I don't even have a clan. I'm a complete third party. For the good of all players, not just top ones, there should be more clans, only possible if there is a limit to the max number of players. I'm not hating anyone.

That is my point. You are clanless you shouldn't have left. It is your problem not ours. Please don't hate

[redscorpion]

Mat this isn't hating. If you have something to add more than "please don't hate", it'd be appreciated. Flaming is not otherwise welcome.

[wonderer]

yeah I posted way before most of you all joined this game I'm never joing van javas cause I don't Like to have all the good members so unless I'm being kicked out or my members are leaving the clan we won't be merging in time in the future.


ilike what cloud said in #5 but some players make new iDs and act like noobs and I don't feel like training new iDs. since some mods can tell if it's a new Player or not they should train them.

in clouds poste #6 their should be something other then a clan tag like van javas account. maybe their should be a star or a different symbol on all of their accounts hidden or not so their won't be clan hopping between clans. but the mods would have to see and make sure it's a hidden account and not a new person with same ipadress

[Blake van java]

redscorpion wrote:

Mat this isn't hating. If you have something to add more than "please don't hate", it'd be appreciated. Flaming is not otherwise welcome.

Red some may view your burning desire for limitations as flaming and biast based on the fact u have no clan and wish to destroy them all...

[Cloud]

wonderer wrote:

ilike what cloud said in #5 but some players make new iDs and act like noobs and I don't feel like training new iDs. since some mods can tell if it's a new Player or not they should train them.

in clouds poste #6 their should be something other then a clan tag like van javas account. maybe their should be a star or a different symbol on all of their accounts hidden or not so their won't be clan hopping between clans. but the mods would have to see and make sure it's a hidden account and not a new person with same ipadress

This is where the 2 I'd limit per device would be helpful. It would cut down on the secret account fiasco and it would make it very hard for people to clan hopping, acting like noobs, etc…

[wonderer]

that is true since you are nutural now your trying to change how we run our clans. it's crazy how red never said any of this when he was in demon or a team.

Ateam could have been a good clan but you all was joking around with it.

who was in it Frand da Wolfy viets red and other players. it wouldn't have been to hard to have gotten them to leave their clan to make Ateam offical clan

[wonderer]

but if do any low amount of accounts then the top25 might be camping more since they wouldn't have any more accounts to get up their.

take viet pride we have all of those accounts but all of those account was active and not camping most of the time. but when you look at people with less accounts like ..... once they get their account high they just leave the game since the accomplished their goal.

so more account means more fighting more points being gained and loset to all kinds of players.

[Mithoz]

Red I am not tryin to cause flame or problems.

I am just simply saying that clans the way they are is just fine.

If you want another clan to challenge vj or vp maybe you could do something about it by collecting other good players who are not in these 2 clans rather than tryin to limit their strengths.

[Cloud]

Yes but more accounts also means more potiontal to camp. In the 2 I'd per device idea there would only be 2 ids. A main and secondary. The secondary would be used as a play account while the main is used for actual gaming. Ppl with lesser accounts have more of a motivation to get on the board because they know that with only 2 accounts it will be hard to pump. Plus there is the point deduction every 2 weeks to worry about. Now people with the higher accounts may need someting else to achieve. Like setting WI records. Like winning 15 games in a row or playing the most people and gaining the most points in 1 hour. Stuff like that that can put them in the hall of fame for really amazing stuff. And why don't we raise the bar for the top 25 players by increasing the top score limit and making the decrease more every 2 weeks? Something to mix it up so the top 25 actually have to fight to stay up there and not just relax when they are there?

[[PYRO] Critikal]

I Agree With Mat Clans Are Fine Some Lesser Clans Cud Nvr Compeat With The Higher Clans But The Lesser Clans Are In There Own Leage So Clans Are Fine the Way They Are

[wonderer]

"Something to mix it up so the top 25 actually have to fight to stay up there and not just relax when they are there?"

I tried that but top25 don't feel the need to fight a nother high ranked player.

"Like setting WI records. Like winning 15 games in a row or playing the most people and gaining the most points in 1 hour. "

I tried that but most top25 can't win 15 Ina row. and you also talked about top25 loseing more points for camping. if you notice most viet pride accounts was in top50 aswell. so you would have to make everyone lose more points to stop them from camping more often.



((won't anyone stand up to the top clan or are we doom to lose all of our members to them))

[Golden]

Cloud wrote:

4. Golden, Demon is not the only clan with potiental. Just because you have alot of members dosent mean they are good. But if you want to base it off of how many members you have then my clan has the most potential.

I never said numbers count. I believe my clan is more active than yours, not that it is better. But i do believe we have more potential. Im no trying to start a fight. Its just my opinion.

[Cloud]

Mmhhmmm ok. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Fair enough.

[Cloud]

Mithoz wrote:

Red I am not tryin to cause flame or problems.

I am just simply saying that clans the way they are is just fine.

If you want another clan to challenge vj or vp maybe you could do something about it by collecting other good players who are not in these 2 clans rather than tryin to limit their strengths.

Mat you seem to forget. There are no good players left. They all joined the top clans, or they went solo because they don't like the other clans. As I said before it is very rare to find and recruit top players.

Why is everyone getting on red? He is simply trying to equal out the clans so everyone has a fair chance to be The Top Clan.

[Mithoz]

Leave clans as it is.

Cloud you are forgetting that the 2 highest rated people
In this game are not in van java or Viet. (until AFTEr reset happens)


They may be in a clan but if other players are bothered by this so call dominance by 2 clans they should try staying in their clans and convince other top players to join.


Look at the top25 there are still around 4-5 people who are not in vj or vp.
If you get them all into a clan, and if you want your clan members to do better teach them, then your clan will grow

[[PYRO] Critikal]

I like That Idea

[Da Dealer]

like only 2 people per clan 2000 or higher or somthing??

[redscorpion]

I don't think rating should factor into this. If the top 10 make a clan then good for them. They will be the best. But what everyone fails to realize is that PLAYERS ARE BEING DRIVEN OFF from clans and the game itself, because we are turning into a game of a handful of players beating up on the majority of weak players. Nobody is left to compete with Viet Pride or Van Java. So stop trying to maintain your power and share the load of players, don't just keep the whole leaderboard in one clan. Clan Wars is dying because the top clans want to take everybody that has any potential. So no, there will never be a clan like Demon or Seirietei that rises from the ashes, because anyone that has the game to compete will run off and join you two. That's why it is imperative to cap the total number of players allowed. There simply AREN'T ENOUGH PLAYERS LEFT TO COMPETE. Everyone who is ganging up on me keeps acting like there will soon be this great influx of incredible players, with the potential to take over. It's not gonna happen.

I like what Van Java did by closing their rosters recently, regarding available spots (so I've been told). At a minimum, keep your players. Van Java has around 12-15 players. Keep them all. But don't keep recruiting, otherwise other clans have no chance. And when you lose a member, don't be so hasty to replace him. A good clan only needs about 10 players tops. 5 Representatives on the Forum Clan Leaderboard, and 5 Substitutions. That's all we need. Otherwise, you do have a monopoly. And it's no fun for other players who aren't good enough to be recruited by you two.

To be straightforward, stop being power-hungry and spread the top players around.

[Blake van java]

we are not gonna give up our players

[galm]

Why isnt the limit five players? But to do this, we'd have to blow up everything first, all clans don't exist, and none of the old names can be taken. Then the players could groups together and form a clan, an additionally catch could be a clan has to consisit of one player from the rank of 2000 or higher one of 1900, 1800, 1700, and then 1600 and below at its start, if a player moves into the next group thats ok, he STARTED in the lower rank, so then the best players and developing players would prevail.

[wonderer]

red inow for sure I asked you two days ago that what are you going to do next (cause you left demon clan) then you said you might join viet pride. so what changed your mind over night?

((I'm going to take gunner from demon)) watch in a month he will be sporting a viet pride avatar.

I make it hard for players to join my clan I talk so much crap to them but they just keep on coming (like red might do) theirs only been one person who I have been nice to the whole time and never said a bad thig toward him he's drummerboy.

mat said "Look at the top25 there are still around 4-5 people who are not in vj or vp.
If you get them all into a clan, and if you want your clan members to do better teach them, then your clan will grow"

you might not want to do that

[galm]

Umm im not saying its just u, also trash talking people who want to join isnt the answer.

[[PYRO] Critikal]

No It's Not

Why Do that

[[PYRO] Critikal]

galm wrote:

Why isnt the limit five players? But to do this, we'd have to blow up everything first, all clans don't exist, and none of the old names can be taken. Then the players could groups together and form a clan, an additionally catch could be a clan has to consisit of one player from the rank of 2000 or higher one of 1900, 1800, 1700, and then 1600 and below at its start, if a player moves into the next group thats ok, he STARTED in the lower rank, so then the best players and developing players would prevail.

Hmmm Like I Said I Would And Yes It's Just A Waste Of Time We Would Have To Make New Clans

[Golden]

wonderer wrote:

red inow for sure I asked you two days ago that what are you going to do next (cause you left demon clan) then you said you might join viet pride. so what changed your mind over night?

((I'm going to take gunner from demon)) watch in a month he will be sporting a viet pride avatar.

I make it hard for players to join my clan I talk so much darn to them but they just keep on coming (like red might do) theirs only been one person who I have been nice to the whole time and never said a bad thig toward him he's drummerboy.

mat said "Look at the top25 there are still around 4-5 people who are not in vj or vp.
If you get them all into a clan, and if you want your clan members to do better teach them, then your clan will grow"

you might not want to do that

Not if i offer him mod position

[Blake van java]

Galm ur idea is quite interesting except for the fact that they have to be all of different sets of rank, my prefernce would be keep clans how they are, however your idea seems interesting...

[Golden]

redscorpion wrote:

I don't think rating should factor into this. If the top 10 make a clan then good for them. They will be the best. But what everyone fails to realize is that PLAYERS ARE BEING DRIVEN OFF from clans and the game itself, because we are turning into a game of a handful of players beating up on the majority of weak players. Nobody is left to compete with Viet Pride or Van Java. So stop trying to maintain your power and share the load of players, don't just keep the whole leaderboard in one clan. Clan Wars is dying because the top clans want to take everybody that has any potential. So no, there will never be a clan like Demon or Seirietei that rises from the ashes, because anyone that has the game to compete will run off and join you two. That's why it is imperative to cap the total number of players allowed. There simply AREN'T ENOUGH PLAYERS LEFT TO COMPETE. Everyone who is ganging up on me keeps acting like there will soon be this great influx of incredible players, with the potential to take over. It's not gonna happen.

I like what Van Java did by closing their rosters recently, regarding available spots (so I've been told). At a minimum, keep your players. Van Java has around 12-15 players. Keep them all. But don't keep recruiting, otherwise other clans have no chance. And when you lose a member, don't be so hasty to replace him. A good clan only needs about 10 players tops. 5 Representatives on the Forum Clan Leaderboard, and 5 Substitutions. That's all we need. Otherwise, you do have a monopoly. And it's no fun for other players who aren't good enough to be recruited by you two.

To be straightforward, stop being power-hungry and spread the top players around.

How bout having special rooms in game to where only certain levels of players can play?

1700 and below = Begginers Room

1700 to 1900 = Intermediate

1900+ = Experts

[wonderer]

no one would enter the 1900 room so everyone would go to the beginner room

doom you didn't have to poste just to tell galm your going to read his Idea and why did you quote what I said and what golden said to me since you didn't add anything?

[Golden]

wonderer wrote:

no one would enter the 1900 room so everyone would go to the beginner room

It would eventually work.

[Cloud]

Recruiting ppl while they are currently in a clan is something I HATE. How would you like I if I recruited one of your members? How would you fell about it?

[Golden]

Cloud wrote:

Recruiting ppl while they are currently in a clan is something I HATE. How would you like I if I recruited one of your members? How would you fell about it?

Thanks cloud. Its good to see some respectable people on here.

[[PYRO] Critikal]

I Like The Ideas Room

[Cloud]

If the room idea was to be put into effect then there would need to be a chat loughs where player just chat because if there wasent one then player would miss their friends.

[[PYRO] Critikal]

Yeah More rooms more mayhem

[wonderer]

Cloud wrote:

Recruiting ppl while they are currently in a clan is something I HATE. How would you like I if I recruited one of your members? How would you fell about it?

two of my friends was talking and one mention that he like his girl friend or something in that nature. the friend with the girl friend said if you like her try to take her from me here's the number and you allready talk to her in school. then he said she's only one girl and theirs more out their im not going to get pissed off cause of one girl.

the friend with the girl friend new his girl wouldnt leave him.

so it no biggy cause the players I hand picked I'm confident they won't leave. but the players I didn't pick they might leave but no biggy theirs more to get.

[Blake van java]

How does the bottom part of wondys post make sense or relate...

[wonderer]

the bottom part if windy poste relates to the top part of wondy poste which relates to clouds question

[valicious]

In case you guys still haven't noticed, the longevity of the clan and the quality of members is mainly dependent on the leader or leaders. You can have all the good players that you want but that doesn't mean you are the best clan or here to stay. Van Java was not run by one person alone, Berly, Brian and I always consult each other communicate with the other members before making a final decision. It is mainly private conversations or messages and not public because we do not like others' meddling with what we deal with. And as you may have noticed, we are the most successful clan so far. We've been around the longest and we've had the best players and still do. VC seems to be doing fine now and I have to say it's because Wonderer has learned from his previous experience. His previous clans failed and failed pretty bad but he did not give up. And the result is VC right now is our only active competition. So it's not really about monopolizing clans/best players, it's about how you make the best of what you got. We've rejected a few top players before so it only proves that just because you're an excellent player doesn't mean you're in. Sometimes you have to have the intangibles. And as a leader/leaders, never shoulder the responsibilities alone. Learn how to assign roles and know your priorities.