No more BiT?

N@TE · Chief Administrator Emeritus

I just noticed Scott deleted the BiT Clan forum, as well as the Scorpions. Is BiT gone? Was this a mistake? They lost a couple of members from getting caught cheating, but I thought they were still going strong.

subzero707 · Clan Administrator

Not a mistake.

sars · Established Forum User

New name new clan. just solo for awhile until I give the word to come back

subzero707 · Clan Administrator

SARS I have no idea who you are.

scottlu · WI Founder

They request it, because everyone else would not stop harassing them.

No matter what they do, others were accusing them of various things. In other words, showing no respect.

They became frustrated, and asked that the clan forum be deleted. Note subzero, it is only hidden. I can bring it back if you decide otherwise.

To everyone else: please show respect for other players and stop accusing them of cheating. This post obviously won't solve the problem, because it is related to human behavior. Maybe we do need moderators on the servers like has been suggested, although Im not convinced that will help. Please post with your opinions.

Note: Scorpions are gone because no actual Scorpion ever showed up.

Edit: I moved this thread to the MP forum.

subzero707 · Clan Administrator

Ok Scott.

Moderators may not solve the problem, BUT it will help. I don't believe it's possible to solve the problem completely but I think it's a good way to start.

I believe we have covered already almost every possibility to this issue in other forums.

valicious · Die-hard Fan

In my honest opinion, I think that they should be given a second chance provided that they never do the same thing again in any other forms/ways. On the other hand, it's really hard to blame the players for hating them since they have all the reasons to do so. As for me, "forgiveness is a virtue." I've never had anything against any of the bit clan and I get along with pretty much any clan or players here, although pleasing every single player is an impossibility, but I try.

People should forgive BiT members but BiT members should learn from their mistakes and accept the repercussions. It's a never-ending cycle. No matter how much you will or have changed, there will always be some people that will never forgive you, so you must be prepared to accept and face that fact.

subzero707 · Clan Administrator

valicious wrote:

In my honest opinion, I think that they should be given a second chance provided that they never do the same thing again in any other forms/ways. On the other hand, it's really hard to blame the players for hating them since they have all the reasons to do so. As for me, "forgiveness is a virtue." I've never had anything against any of the bit clan and I get along with pretty much any clan or players here, although pleasing every single player is an impossibility, but I try.

People should forgive BiT members but BiT members should learn from their mistakes and accept the repercussions. It's a never-ending cycle. No matter how much you will or have changed, there will always be some people that will never forgive you, so you must be prepared to accept and face that fact.

"Accept the repercussions?" So in other words its ok to harass us in the chatroom or in games, or in forums? It shouldn't be tolerated.

I understand that it cant completely be controlled, but we need to act like adults and and quit harassing and blaming others.

After the point of being fixed is where it all shouldve ended. I tried to continue to play the game but still get harassed everytime i enter the chat. I tried to play ONE game with warkilla and i get harassed by an anon because its "score pumping". I didnt know that playing one game with someone in my clan would be "score pumping".

"Accept the repercussions?" wow......ok

valicious · Die-hard Fan

I was being positive and neutral at the same time and I was pretty much trying to encourage you guys to keep on going and show this community that you can change. I don't know why you are offended by it but you should have thought of it first before doing what you did. I get along with pretty much all your members subzero and you can ask them about that. If you still take what I said as something negative, then by all means defend yourself. But like I previously stated many times before, I have nothing against your members and as a matter of fact I have even talked to Warkilla and gave him some advise. Maybe you should ask your members if I got conflict with them. I get along with mole, kempa, warkilla pretty much all the players. All I'm trying to say is that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. After what's happened, do you expect all of these players to treat you like heroes? Of course they won't! And to expect the players to act like adults is a joke since most of the players here are kids so don't expect them all to behave well. Heck I've talked to a lot of "adults" here and at least half of them are ridiculously immature and outrageously rude.

But yeah, after this post, if you still think that what I'm saying is something negative or offensive, then you're entitled to your opinion. I do know that I'm only being neutral. I'm merely stating the "facts" and I have never, ever exaggerated whatsoever since I joined this fora (or like what most people say, forums.)

At the end of the day, it's still just a game...

subzero707 · Clan Administrator

"I was being positive and neutral at the same time and I was pretty much trying to encourage you guys to keep on going and show this community that you can change."

Ok, we can do just about everything possible but no one is going to see that we have changed for a long time.

I have nothing against you Val, and yes I know that my fellow BiT Members are cool wit you. One thing that the BiT clan had was that we all talked to each other as friends. As a matter a fact I have phone numbers and emails of some so that we can stay in touch.

And yes your right about the Adult ordeal. I can't expect that, which is the reason why we need the Chat Mod. If the players can't control themselves then maybe we need individuals keep order.

WONDERER,

You talk as if you know what really went on. Your assumptions and accusing of what you said isn't entirely correct. I won't explain myself or explain what really went on because I don't believe you really need to know. But stating something as such, should be deleted.

Its posts like this that other players, new and old, will read and take in consideration, causing our clan to gain a higher negatively and harassment reaction in the chat room.

scottlu · WI Founder

Hey everyone, I want to talk about solutions, not things like "BiT deserves it" because of whatever.

It is not just about BiT, or just about clans. Players do it to each other. The question is, how do we stop the obnoxious behavior, for the good of all players?

It has been suggested that moderators on the MP servers would help a lot. Any thoughts on that?

wonderer · Let The Truth Be Told

subzero707 · Clan Administrator

you can't ban an IP address because some use the same IP.

Example: 2 devices on the same router. It would cause problems.

(Like Scott said, stay with TOPIC)

N@TE · Chief Administrator Emeritus

Right now I'm really sorry I made this thread. I should have known it would just turn into yet another BiT arguing thing. This is really, really, sad. Just because a few members of a clan did a little "score pumping", half the community goes after the whole clan. This brings up new words: clanist and clanism, which is what a lot of this greatful community has in them. Sub I'm especially sorry for you, and I truely deeply apologize. This has turned into a big mess, with a bigger argument. Here's the thing: some of BiT did artificial scoring, and those members have paid the concequences by being quarentined from the leaderboard. DONE, END OF STORY. But NO, they still get a mound of çrap whenever they put a toe in the chat room.

I got my question answered, Scott or Brian can delete this topic.
And once again, I'm sorry to everybody, and Sub especially.

N@TE · Chief Administrator Emeritus

scottlu wrote:

Hey everyone, I want to talk about solutions, not things like "BiT deserves it" because of whatever.

It is not just about BiT, or just about clans. Players do it to each other. The question is, how do we stop the obnoxious behavior, for the good of all players?

It has been suggested that moderators on the MP servers would help a lot. Any thoughts on that?

Okay well first off, the best way to stop cheating is to do Scotts no anon, one acct, chose if the game is scored or not rule. There's no way of cheating with this. It would be measured by IP and device. A device could go to a different IP, but only one account per device and IP combo. No other accounts could go on a certain combo of both. Next, I think 3-5 in-app chat mods would be good, as well as spamming and word recognition. Finally, I think Brians kick and color choosing would be good. These three things would be great add-ons to the game for the community.

trineroks · Chief Administrator

how about to reduce pumping, we have random matching up (and the random match ups would count towards a gamer score)

like 1v1, 2v2, FFA and the system randomly picks some players around the same rank in the leaderboard as you (who also were queing for one of the above choices) and starts the game?

iunno just suggestions

subzero707 · Clan Administrator

trineroks wrote:

how about to reduce pumping, we have random matching up (and the random match ups would count towards a gamer score)

like 1v1, 2v2, FFA and the system randomly picks some players around the same rank in the leaderboard as you (who also were queing for one of the above choices) and starts the game?

iunno just suggestions

Sounds like a lot of work (for scott)....lol

scottlu · WI Founder

I am deleting posts in this thread that don't stay on topic.

trineroks · Chief Administrator

scott did u read my suggestion? do you think the number of active players online is too small for random placement matches?

subzero707 · Clan Administrator

scottlu wrote:

I am deleting posts in this thread that don't stay on topic.

The topic is "No more BiT?"

so in actuality, everything should be about BiT?

scottlu · WI Founder

Sorry, the topic is what can we do to stop players with rude behavior on the MP servers.

The topic is not who did what and who is the blame for what.

scottlu · WI Founder

trineroks wrote:

scott did u read my suggestion? do you think the number of active players online is too small for random placement matches?

You ask a good question. The answer is yes too small. Players have specific maps they want to play, or specific players they want to play with. The current approach is the easiest way to do that with the number of players that exist.

If there were many more players I would do it.

trineroks · Chief Administrator

alright thanks for the explanation

we shud advertise the game, give it 5 stars on all the reviews and such

BrianBSHS · Administrator Emeritus

well if former bit memebers want to try out, the van JavaS are looking for new and active members.

elamre · Mega-Poster

trineroks wrote:

alright thanks for the explanation

we shud advertise the game, give it 5 stars on all the reviews and such

yeah, already tried to do such a thing. with previews from the multiplayer beta. scott said that it wasnt needed, big miss imo. hope he thinks different next time ":)

johnjones · Semi-frequent Poster

Come back BiT. Who cares what people say about you? Just ignore it and the haters will get bored and find something else to hate. Don't let other people determine what you do.

Obviously you gotta do it fairly this time though!

BrianBSHS · Administrator Emeritus

elamre wrote:

trineroks wrote:

alright thanks for the explanation

we shud advertise the game, give it 5 stars on all the reviews and such

yeah, already tried to do such a thing. with previews from the multiplayer beta. scott said that it wasnt needed, big miss imo. hope he thinks different next time ":)

elamre, you can tryout for the Van Java's too!

I remembered you from BETA but i wasn't sure, and i didn't want to put it out there and look silly if you weren't.

galm · ForeRunner

Simple answer no it isn't.

delta1 · Very Active User

wat kind of picture is that??? :shock:

wonderer · Let The Truth Be Told

Off topic stay on topic jimJohns right

valicious · Die-hard Fan

BrianBSHS wrote:

well if former bit memebers want to try out, the van JavaS are looking for new and active members.

I said the same thing to some of the BiT members before and it still stands. As long as you guys meet the requirements and are willing to go through and pass the tests, then you can become our members. The downside is that if Subzero and/or kempa joins, they will no longer be leaders.

Guys, if any of you want to become members (not just the former bit clan leaders and members, but all of the players who are really interested), all you gotta do is ask, meet the requirements and pass the tests. And once you're a member, you have to make sure that you abide by our rules. We only have a few but the most important of them all is to "respect other clans and players" and respect our clan and its members.

WarKilla93 · Very Active User

I want to try out.....

ElectronicFlesh · Very Active User

Just read this topic, and I think another solution on MP would be to have many active and trusted people moderating the posts. There should be an option of giving a person a strike when they say something mean and hateful. Also a time limit for strikes. For ex 3 strikes within a month could result is some form of punishment. And to prevent players purposely filling up their strikes to the maximum, their number of strikes will be hidden from them and only available to the mods.

sars · Established Forum User

I'll still keep the clan alive even if we all left to other clans.