ABOUT MP CHEATING

[scottlu]

We've had a lot of discussion lately about score pumping. This has to stop to keep the leaderboard healthy, otherwise the leaderboard is a sham.

I am going to try various ways to address this. The first way will be to auto-discover score pumped games, and not give points to the winner of said games. If this doesn't work, my next plan is to go to 1 ID per player path.

Until this automated system is in place, I am putting suspected score pumpers into quarantine, to restore health to the leaderboard. When in quarantine, the account is still active, however it won't be visible in the leaderboard. When the automated system is in place, it will determine this automatically.

There are a couple of ways to get out of quarantine:

a. play legit games until 98% of your games are not score pumped games.
b. reset your account to 1500. Send me a PM for this.

Any questions, please post here. I'm sorry if your account was quarantined by accident, I'm sure this will happen occasionally. Please bear with me, and send me a PM.

Again, score pumping needs to stop in order to restore fair competition to the leaderboard.

Thanks.

[Jack17]

Good one scott nice

[wonderer]

Hehehe I was like low 30's now I'm a teen lollollol cheaters

Scottlu said "When in quarantine, the account is still active, however it won't be visible in the leaderboard."

so they still and gain points I hope that's what it means. And if I beat them I get their many points right.

Let me help the bit out play the bots maps again and play with your anon members to get your spot back(you done it before but that's not cheating.)

[N@TE]

Yaay! Finally no more cheaters! Lol I moved up like 20 ranks on the leaderboard . Btw what's the *** before the "about" on this topic name? Did Scott swear ? Now I think it's time to get a rule for those one map players, like Stone88. Stone is #3 but he just plays BoT all day and night, no other maps. Thanks for getting rid of those cheaters Scott!

[wonderer]

Hahaha me and Nate think alike we wrote at the same time. :-/

[Jack17]

Im now with both acc's in the top 25.
but scott, i would reset their acc's. For example: they take a new acc and every bit play with his acc one time against him and they let him win( new acc), he can get in 10 games without problems 200 points and when he have 1900 and they cheat he has in the end 2100 points and thats again an art of cheating. I hope u understand it so i would reset their acc( from all player, not only the bit)

[scottlu]

Jack I see what you're saying. Let me think about it today.

[WarKilla93]

How do we know how many percent we have until we get to 98% not score pumped?

[scottlu]

I'm writing the software to determine that right now. More info soon.

[johnjones]

Nice one Scott, I'm bit shocked at the extent of it, not just a couple of people then

[delta1]

Finally we can put a STOP to this problem :) :) :) :)

[Jack17]

Wat did i tell u about reset? Look warkillas last game.

[JAO]

I'm curious to see how your going to stop ppl from having more than one account since each account is registered with different email address. you can block IP addresses but that tends to create more problems than solving it, like blocking other legit players from the same IP address area from playing.

[Major Miner]

I would avoid limiting it to one account. I have two- Major Miner and Miner- and it's not to cheat, it's because I SUCKED A$$ at first (as Major Miner) and now I'm dragging all that early losing along with me <grin>. I made Miner as an account to focus on rating (not play new maps, etc.).

Put another way, if a person cares at all about rating, and let's face it anyone reading this thread cares, it leads to never playing new maps, never playing 2v2 unless you have a great partner, etc. If people have multiple accounts they can learn with one and kick butt with the other.

Or that's my theory anyway.

[scottlu]

What if you had one account, but when you created a game, you could either make it a scoring game, or a non-scoring game?

[Major Miner]

scottlu wrote:

What if you had one account, but when you created a game, you could either make it a scoring game, or a non-scoring game?

Oooh, I like that!

As long as we are in fantasyland here, it sure would be nice to be able to check someone's rating more easily- like when you were trying to decide whether to let them in a game or not.

I've taken to just loggin in anon when I want to "play". Then I get abused by all the registered guys of course <g>.

[Major Miner]

One more fantasy.

How cool would it be to be able to get back into a game, say within 30 seconds, that your phone had crashed you out of?

I can get back to the game room plenty fast but there's (obviously) no way to get back into the game. Really sucks.

[BrianBSHS]

Major Miner wrote:

One more fantasy.

How cool would it be to be able to get back into a game, say within 30 seconds, that your phone had crashed you out of?

I can get back to the game room plenty fast but there's (obviously) no way to get back into the game. Really sucks.

I dig it!


Also, I think adding a kick function would be better than having 1 ID. If you know someone is a cheater, or you suspect him of cheating, you can kick him out from your game (before it starts, of course) and it would even help for those pesky Anons.




It's not really policing, because it all depends on the Host of the game. You [Scott] personally won't be policing anything because the "policing" will be done at the "bottom" of the line, it would only get up to you if something severe happened which it wouldn't unless someone is an idiot.

[wonderer]

Kick people out that's no fun i like to mess with players trying to get the right color.

[N@TE]

This is a pretty good idea. Before you join a game it could just have a NS(No Scoring) next to the map name. I think that some people may still want to gain points, so it may be better to have the option of having a bad account. On the flip side, it would be easier to know people, no hidden IDs, and no more cheating, even though that is kind of fixed. So I say lets try it out! I also think the boot option would be great.

[BrianBSHS]

If you break it up into NS and S, then you're going to split the games in half. Players want to play scoring maps so they can advance on the leaderboard, if most of the games available are rated NS, then people will stop playing.

[wonderer]

And yea so I can kick out brain out of my games so I can win more. ( future talk) or weed out the good players.

[scottlu]

Brian it would default to a scoring game. Most people don't change the default, but they would be able to if they want to. You wouldn't need to use anon any more.

[WarKilla93]

Yea Just take out anon and replaced it with that.

[ElectronicFlesh]

I reckon there should be a 100% vote by all the players,( other than the one wanting to be kicked out.)playing a particular map to kick a certain player out.

[wonderer]

It would stuck players would only Demond to play with out points envolved what's the point of playing if we didn't have points. It well be same thing as a anon being in the game. Anyone using a anon is just hidding so they can get better. And I will beating people and anon with out getting anypoints.

Only if we could use it so many times per week or month so if we would run out then we have to play all games with the points on the line.

[berlyhendrawan]

Hi scott..
I see the old leaderboard is back!! Whats up??
Will it be like this forever or not?
Thanks

[scottlu]

Berly, the old leaderboard is not back. I'm finishing the tool which will be used to discover cheating games. Once this is done, score modification will occur.

I will let you all know the results of the investigation, before the score modification occurs.

[scottlu]

To anyone with an ID that is currently quarantined:

I have been receiving a number of PMs from you asking about your account. I am finishing the tool, and will have results to post here, very soon. Once we have results I can unquarantine accounts, and some will require score adjustment.

Apologies for the time this is taking, and thank you for your patience.

[ElectronicFlesh]

Oooo I'm gonna check if any of my acc have been quarinteened..... (I haven't been cheating!!!!!!!!!!)

[scottlu]

Update:

I've finished the tool for finding likely score pumped games. This tool was *a lot of work* and the results are not 100% definitive. Too much judgement on the results is required, so unfortunately it cannot be made automatic. A manual tool that requires judgement on the results is not a good long term solution. More on a long term solution in a new post.

NOTE to players in quarantine: I will be moving you out of quarantine within the next couple of days. If I find score pumping, your score will be adjusted accordingly.

[WarKilla93]

So all the quarantined acc will be unquarantined in the next couple of days?

[scottlu]

For the ones with score pumping, they will need to agree to a point deduction before being unquaratined. I'm sending PMs today and tomorrow about it.

[WarKilla93]

Yea ok you can do mines right now and deduct points from my warkilla93. I need my main acc.

[galm]

But warkilla y dobt u want to just keep going? That's the problem, val and berly never play on that account, i'm not saying u wouldn't be at the top maybe just not yet, everyone tries to get so many accounts on tyey don't work on their best!

[WarKilla93]

Actually galm, using your diff acc instead of their main makes other player better because they dont have to worry losing points when they lose on their secondary acc. They dont get nervous and they dont worry that much.

[kilik8880]

Warkilla is right. And most of all you get to bring the enjoyment back into the game.

[wonderer]

So is that why u don't like to play my maps are u scared their might lose some points. Other players ask u to join their games but u refuse to join but you have your second account but you still don't join.I just wondering why. Even on FFA maps u won't join if you see to good player in it. Like last night.

Ok warkilla is going to say I joined your map rember you said alian replica rember suckon temple and iformation.

Everyone dont play alian replica blue can jump over the moutain and red can't. gives blue a 80% chance he would win and take all of your $. Warkilla nows that cause I showed him as wonderland and he was warkill93 so he woulden't lose his points. Of course I didn't win iwas trying to help him.(no lie) but he keeped on bragin he beat me again.That was the last time he was red

[WarKilla93]

Haha oh wait, i didnt know u can jumped over the hill in alien relics?? I didnt know that until you wrote in in the forum......oh dats why berly quickly build by my base so fast. He didnt even upgrade his vts den i saw he got bunch of vts by my base. Now i know now, ill try that when im blue wonderer.

Oh yea wonderer i didnt notice u jumped over the hill, DESTROYED all your base and didnt see how you did it so dont tell everyone dat you thought me how to build in alien relics. Right after our game i played how i play normally without jumping over. But now dat u told me about that, ill try it myself see if it works out.

Like i said wonderer i dont play ffa with ppl who hates me. If both ppl are in the same room as i am n they really hates me, theres a possible that they could team up against me. Wonderer like i said i mostly due 1v1, i rarely due ffa. So if yku want to brag that you are really good come online and lets play sunken temple 1v1. I dont want no excuses about me picking colors. Its your map so you shouldnt be complaining.

[wonderer]

We i beat you 3 times on sukon temple and u picked the color right next to me and quit before the 3min rule so you wouldent lose points. That's the only reason why u want to play sukon temple.

[WarKilla93]

Haha, no. I only resign when i know im about to lose. I wannna try my new tactic i learned from berly in sunken.

[N@TE]

TO WONDERER AND WARKILLA: The Sunken Temple is an unfair map with unfair amounts of galaxite for every side/color. Please use my fair and upgraded map entitled "Sunken Temple." My updated version has every side with the exact amount of galaxite, therefore being fair. It is availible in the Add-ons mission packs.

[scottlu]

WarKilla93 wrote:

Actually galm, using your diff acc instead of their main makes other player better because they dont have to worry losing points when they lose on their secondary acc. They dont get nervous and they dont worry that much.

I may add a feature where when you create a game, you can check a box that says don't score this game. Then in the room's game list you'll be able to see which games are to be scored and which not.

This way Warkilla, you could create a non-scoring game, and players would not be afraid to play you and lose points. In other words, you would not need a second account to get players to play you.

[wonderer]

Nate don't tell anyone which side has 40$ more then the other side I played that game since the beging and never notice any problems.

Warkilla all your new Straigty consist of you trying to raid my base you don't even try to upgrade your building the only thing u do and try is to get the color so you can be right be side me.
Scottlu your new up date is real bad you told players to make new ID's why can't warkilla make a new ID he only wants it so he won't fight good players All the time. I now ge well be changling me as no point match just so he won't lose any points. The 1# player shouldent be scared o lose any points since he's good enough to get up their he should be good enough to but his tittle on the line.

[galm]

Wond nate is right sunken temple isn't fair.

[scottlu]

wonderer wrote:

Nate don't tell anyone which side has 40$ more then the other side I played that game since the beging and never notice any problems.

Warkilla all your new Straigty consist of you trying to raid my base you don't even try to upgrade your building the only thing u do and try is to get the color so you can be right be side me.
Scottlu your new up date is real bad you told players to make new ID's why can't warkilla make a new ID he only wants it so he won't fight good players All the time. I now ge well be changling me as no point match just so he won't lose any points. The 1# player shouldent be scared o lose any points since he's good enough to get up their he should be good enough to but his tittle on the line.

Wonderer, in the new system I am proposing, you'll be able to create a game and set a checkbox so it won't be scored. Anyone would play warkilla if they didn't need to worry about losing points.

[Strobe]

This new update is making me afraid.
When a player has an option of scoring points or not, a player will only tick that box when they are at their best, maybe only a small percentage of their actual playing time. If this goes ahead we could face all the games being non scored, and when they are being scored other players will not play you because they will realise that you are at your peak.

[BrianBSHS]

The kick button isn't for scared people, it's for people who don't want anons in their game. I still don't understand why you're so dead-set against it. I feel like you have this misconception that people are going to kick everyone out of their games and nobody is going to be able to play; that or you have a fear that everyone is going to kick you out of their games because nobody likes you. Neither of which are true.

[wonderer]

People will kick me out I hope not I hope they ask me to leave like they been doing. nobody realy likes me

[scottlu]

BrianBSHS wrote:

The kick button isn't for scared people, it's for people who don't want anons in their game. I still don't understand why you're so dead-set against it. I feel like you have this misconception that people are going to kick everyone out of their games and nobody is going to be able to play; that or you have a fear that everyone is going to kick you out of their games because nobody likes you. Neither of which are true.

Brian if I remove anon login in the next update, would you still want the kick button?

[BrianBSHS]

scottlu wrote:

BrianBSHS wrote:

The kick button isn't for scared people, it's for people who don't want anons in their game. I still don't understand why you're so dead-set against it. I feel like you have this misconception that people are going to kick everyone out of their games and nobody is going to be able to play; that or you have a fear that everyone is going to kick you out of their games because nobody likes you. Neither of which are true.

Brian if I remove anon login in the next update, would you still want the kick button?

Yes. Just incase someone goes AFK, or for any reason that you don't want someone in the game, it is still good to know that you aren't stuck with them.

[trineroks]

i say: add the kick button. even if the anons are erased

[scottlu]

I understand its usefulness but it seems like it would create a reason for players to be upset at one another. I can see it now: "you kicked me out!" sort of posts.

[BrianBSHS]

scottlu wrote:

I understand its usefulness but it seems like it would create a reason for players to be upset at one another. I can see it now: "you kicked me out!" sort of posts.

Well if they didn't want them in their game, instead of kicking them out, they would have to make a new game. Which would continue the "You wouldn't play me" posts that are on the forums now.

[scottlu]

Yes, you're right.

[wonderer]

Well we can't stop everyone from not playing each other but bye my poste I do in someway get the players to play me even though it's when they fell like their read for a changle.

But isent why we are able to create new rooms so we could play with our friends?

It would be cool if you could make the kick button only on 2vs2. but not for FFA maps or 1vs1 maps since anons won't be here soon.

[WarKilla93]

scottlu wrote:

I understand its usefulness but it seems like it would create a reason for players to be upset at one another. I can see it now: "you kicked me out!" sort of posts.

dont be negative. Beside getting kick in a gameroom means they dont like you or they scared to lose against you. To me getting kick in the game is alright because that way i know how much ppl scared to play me.....hahaha

[iamlegend]

OMG ! Warkilla you overplay yourself!please stop it it's getting annoying

[WarKilla93]

Naa im jk. Your better than me, iamalegend. I respect u you envy are beast when you guys team up. I get nervous playing you and envy.

[sars]

Add this to the mission pages and every page as anoncemnet

http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewforum.php?f=33