Problems with artificial score pumping

[scottlu]

Hello all,

I'm seeking your input on a difficult problem we are having. Currently, WI lets you log in to MP with different player names. This is a fun feature because you can do all sorts of things with it, from just having a different account to try different things, to pretending to be several different players (even within the same clan).

In any case, we have a problem. It appears that members that want to boost their scores, will do the following: assume you have two players that want to boost their scores. Both players have two player names - one that they are trying to boost up the leaderboard, and another that they don't care about. Now, you can imagine what happens: the first player uses their important name, the second player the unimportant name, then the second player loses games to boost the score of the first player's important name. After awhile they switch so the second player's important name gets boosted. Do this enough, and your important name goes up the leaderboard.

Just so everyone knows: the server knows all the names that people use. I can use this information to do this kind of analysis to see who the real players are playing in games. Everyone should know that artificial score boosting isn't fair for anyone and is therefore a form of cheating.

The problem is, it is difficult for the server to detect when a game is being thrown, and it is difficult to manually police this kind of activity.

The one way I can think of that would definitely stop this kind of behavior, is to change MP so that only one player name per player can be used. If you want to switch player names, you can but your previous account will be reset.

Any other suggestions?

[wonderer]

So players like me with 3accounts

"if you want to switch player names, you can but your previous account will be reset" please don't do that!!!


Make it's so only the main ID well be able to get points and give away points?
Or the other ID's well be nutural vs the main ID?
Or the other ID has to play twice the games to get points or they only get half the points?

Find the people that are doing that and cut their ID off.
Or find them and Ban their ID for a fewdays.
Lol that's why I asked for the enforcers or have a chatt room mod? Which can look at games and reporte back to hq with the have proof? And of course.....


Lollollol a clan with all one player lol I never did that with the outlanders lol.

[N@TE]

Maybe the last 5-10 min of every game of every game could be recorded by the server and sent back to the forums. This way people wouldn't have their beggining strategy stolen but you could still see who destroyed what base, and who resigned.

[BrianBSHS]

I currently have two accounts, one is my main account that has faithfully serviced me through Beta, and the other is a growing clan tag account. I'd hate for one to be in jeopardy because I have it's sibling. I think 2 accounts is the max, and if they log in with another (third) account, it would be pinged as a anonymous player and give no points to the winner. Two accounts should definitely be a max though.


Towards Scott:
If you can have the server email you when an IP logs a third account, you can have kathy, Al, or myself PM/email each account warning them that a third account has been logged in on their device and without a response that account will be automatically reset. If they respond, it would be a short explanation as to why the third account was logged and which account the person would like to be reset.

[WarKilla93]

My suggestions is one player should only have 2name account limit. One is their main and the other one is for them to practice. But if they want to make another acc that have a different name then they have a choice of which account they want to replace and the name that they replaced would be gone and the stats would be reseted and da name would be change according to the new name the player input.

Having just one account is bad because like my problem everytime, i dont know if my connection is 100% fast and i dont know if im not going to get disconnected. I had this problem before when i was using my main account and at the middle of the game when i was about to win. i got disconnected and you told me that you cant do anything about the connection because other players might take advantage of it. So i just decided to make another acc to use it to train and play other players. Then my main, i only use it to play important games and games that i know ill be sure im going to win. It actually works, i dont go down the leaderboard like i used to when i lose becuase i got disconnected.

[galm]

I have 5 accounts, galm, omicron, shadow 1, d.e.m. And demon lord. Galm is what I go by and I chat with it alot and stuff, omicron was what I used to use for playing but haven't recently idly, d.e.m. Is wht I use to try new strategies and maps, and demon lord is my main account recently and shadow 1 well lol. I don't need shadow 1 but I know people would say use anon to test maps but I like people knowing who i am. I actually use all of them except shadow 1 often. But even with these accounts I have never nor will never tank a game for some one or myself. That's the problem Scott, I won't but someone else might. Maybe if we could observe any match going on like just click on watch and then see it people would be afraid to cheat, oh and observers couldn't speak.

[wonderer]

Lollollol galm your some how found a way spam ID's lol that's FUNNY lol.

Yea if we could be able to see the other players fighting then. If scottlu could have the map fliped and take off the names and maybe the colors. So we can't really tell who's who.?

[LawrenceA]

Hey, iv got alot of accounts, but firstly I don't think alot of people would have more than 1 iPhone at their disposal so they could play themselves. I think that the server should notice when a player plays against his other Id and not adjust the rating for that game. Another option could be to detect when a player is playing himself and then delete his other accounts for misusing them. But I remember seeing somewhere that me and iawinner have the same ip adress, so if we played each other the server might pick it up as me playing myself.

[johnjones]

I vote for one ID but fully expect to be out voted.

On the subject of "score pumping": I've nothing against cap0ne but think it's a shame that he's made it to number one by racking up a number of wins against players who have posted that they're leaving (ring0r, zer0). It is score pumping and belittles the efforts of the other top 10 players. He's made it to a score that will take a long time for other players to catch so will likely be there a heck of a long time.

[valicious]

No offense and disrespect to BiT clan because I'm cool with them, but just like what wonderbra pointed out, their games are obviously fixed. I mean, what's up with that? I respect the BiT clan but when there's is obviously a unfair boosting of ratings then something's gotta be done. It has to be dealt with and I hope it never happens again. Pr0 clan on the other hand should never even be considered a clan since there is now only one active member who is currently number 1, thanks to another obvious and unfair boosting by ring0r and zer0. If this isn't dealt with, who's to say when it'll stop? Heck this seems to be the trend now so my clan might as well do it...but then again we're not cheap. There's a difference between classy and...well, you get the point.

[Jack17]

Scottlu, ur idea i think is the best

[scottlu]

The cheating is still happening. I have given warnings. I could go reset accounts, but it's tough to figure out all that were involved. Then I would get comments about past cheating, and I would need to go figure them out. And still this doesn't prevent even more cheating in the future. We need an automated way to address this.

Here is a proposal, that will allow people to continue using multiple player names, yet address this artificial score pumping:

An individual player can only get points from another individual player, a fixed number of times per day. Let's assume this is once a day for the sake of argument. It would go like this: player A wins against player B. Player A's score goes up, player B's score goes down, like normal. Now player A wins against player B a second time. No score adjustment occurs, because player A has already scored against player B once that day. The next day, player A can score against player B once. etc. We can change this number to whatever people think is fair.

You might ask, what if player B changes player name. Then player A could score again. The way I can control this is by device. Replace all mentions of "Player" with "Device" above. You can only score N times against a given device, per day. This way, if someone changes the name they are playing with, it doesn't matter. It's the number of games against a given device that I would be tracking.

Thoughts?

[galm]

I think we maybe should maybe two or three because we might want a rematch to count. I would hate if I played a bunch of games to only get one per day, two is better.

[scottlu]

If everyone likes this approach, we could do any number per day, you guys decide by voting.

[Jack17]

Scottlu, i think the idea is not so good . I dont know a better idea, but um thinking. I think the BiT clan has enough acc to play/cheat. Their have be a better idea and waz now with their points that they get with cheating? Do u reset their acc? I write when i have an idea.

[wonderer]

I vote we reset accounts.

If you have to a make a mini mod that can look in to the the every room made and games or ip adress to see who's doing it. And all the players that has anything to say about cheat they could go to him in stead of scottlu everytime. Iknow everyone sends you a poste about every liitle thing for some reason. So give the job to someone who cares even more about fair play.

Second vote 4 times perday. I like to play alot or give the anons to give points and take them away again. I need points too

[kilik8880]

Ok so I have a solution for the "playing the same game cheat"


People complain about players playing one map over and over or one person over and over so here is my solution...

Say for example a 1500pt. Player keeps playing against another 1500pt. Player, each game the winner gets say 10pts. So what if you make it to where if you play the same map a given amount of times in a given span of time the rate of points that the winner receives declines per match on that map or with that player.

Ex: after the player plays the same map five times in a day the sixth time te winner will win 7pts rather than 10 and so on until it reaches 0.

Now this is just an example and can be adjusted but let me know what you guys think

[ihatepies]

if u win vs same player da 3rd time or more stop giving points

[ElectronicFlesh]

Well, you could check who has what accounts and is in a clan, and cross check it with other players in the clan and prevent those games from affecting ratings. So those in the same clan cannot gain points by playing each other

[wonderer]

Yea that would be easy if we had the ip adress or we could just look at how many times they lost in a row.

Players create new accounts every day. So the best thing is just rest the account and let them gain back the points then rest again.

[johnjones]

Scott
This is a contentious issue so you're going to have to make a call without 100% backing. The only real way to prevent this happening is 1 ID per device. The score limiting you suggested will only slow it down, not prevent it. If you reset scores manually then you'll need a full time "police force" to keep up with things and stop the score pumping.

The pros of one ID per device are:
1. It will avoid "artificial score pumping"
2. This is likely to bring average scores down and will make the leaderboard more accessible to new players... currently new players have no chance of getting on the leaderboard
3. The leaderboard will be a truer reflection on actual ability because people can't take on the best players and new maps using a second ID
4. Clan members can play each other without fear of being accused of cheating
5. It would stop people posing as others and being rude in the game or forum.

The cons are:
1. People can't have more than 1 ID for different purposes (e.g. a second clan ID or map testing ID)
I can't think of anymore.

Hopefully the above is a reasonably fair summary but you guys are welcome to correct me with things I've not thought of.

In my opinion the pros outweigh the cons but others will disagree so it's your call Scott. I'm a bit concerned that if nothing is done then the game will struggle to encourage new players to create an ID because it's so hard to get on the leaderboard... getting to 2000 points takes a lot for a newbie

[BrianBSHS]

I honestly feel that we should reset everyone's score and start over, it's gotten to the point where there are a good number of players that understand and know how to play. Not only that, but I, again, honestly feel that clan members should not benefit from beating another clan member. This will promote clans strategizing with each other to get better while equally and inversely contributing to the decrease in score boosting. Everyone says no clan hopping or double clanning, and this will help both of those out tremendously.
Clan leaders will be required to submit a detailed list of their clan members making sure not to exclude one. Afterwords, each member will be placed on a list in their clan's forum page. Players on the same list will not benefit from beating other clan members and vice versa. IN order to remove a clan member from the clan, a pm From Both the Member and the Leader will be sent to Scott.
If the player is seen boosting other players from their former clan, it can be pinged early and reversed.

[Jack17]

The only way: 1. Reset all acc's
2. Everyone onlyone acc



It is really so, for example warkilla is a really bad player, but he is in the top 10

[iamlegend]

True that Brian reset all ACC total New leaderboard with only One ACC pro ip

[kilik8880]

I am down with reseting all of the leaderboard although my rating is high, brianis right rhe clan member should only rank when they are on the same team but if they are against they should gain no points. That will actually benefit is. WHY?

Because it allows us to plan strategies and not worry about rank, or pumping.

[wonderer]

Lol warkilla is kinda good he dervers to be up their but not a topplayer lol.
He's good up if we beat him like I did he well just boost up his points. The same night.

Will reset all accounts every so often.
Yea make list to so show how far we have gotton on the leaderboard.
But show it on the stats not the leader board

Atleast let use have two main ID's (let me make a new one if you do)

aww iforgot the rest. I been on here for 10mins watching tv tring to rember.

[valicious]

Resetting the accounts won't be a good solution. It will favor those who love ganging up on other players and that will put their players further up there. I'm sure those who do it will definitely be happy about the reset.

I do think that one of the best solutions is to limit the same maps played per day to 2 or 3 per player. Then perevent the clan members from playing against each other, they can play as allies but not against each other since that is what's causing all of these troubles in the first place. I personally don't care too much about the reset but if and when it's done, I can assure you that there will be repercussions. I'm absolutely sure that a lot of players will be angered by it. Sure some players players cheated, but should those who didn't do it and worked really hard to get up there be punished for the actions of a few? Do you guys know the saying "it's better to let a criminal go than to punish the innocent?"

In the end it's all up to Scott. The real question is, is it worth all this? It's much ado about nothing.

[wonderer]

of course players would get mad but the bit would stop trying so hard to boost theit rank it would be pointless. since we dont want to ban every cheater. if every so often the leaderboard would crash and rest all acounts. new players would have a chance to raise their ranks. and one day be a topplayer for a few days.

I know that the topplayers aka javas would have to play more so they might not like the resting of the ranks. if they would still want to be on top.

im sure im not the only one that notices the javas poking their heads in just so the game wont start taking their points away playing like one or two games and leaving for a long period of time.

[N@TE]

Alright I say yes for score resetting. This would fix all problems with the current cheating stats. The laederboard would be messed up for a week or two, but after a couple weeks it will show who's good and who's not. The only way to completely solve this is to have each person with only 1 ID, even though I would prefer 2, and to not have clan members play each other. The problem with the clan members not being able to play each other is that it will discourage people to join clans. I also prefer a little in-clan practice, but that will now have to be done with anonization. Please let the clan members be on a team with 2v2 though. It's sad we won't be able to do certain things anymore because of cheaters.
As for the second paragraph of what Brian was saying, I don't really get it. Why would Scott have to be involved in removing clan members? That's a clan leader's job, not an admin's. That's apart of what a clan leader does. Only the clan leader should sent Scott a pm whenever someone joins or gets removed from the clan.

[wonderer]

if we all have 1 or 2 ID's then it would bring out the anons and we wouldnt get more points. with the whole nutral thing.

[kilik8880]

I say..
Yes for reseting leader board

no on only one id
yes on no rank being recieved for playing against clan teammates

[scottlu]

Thank you everyone for posting your thoughts and ideas. This thread is *still in progress*, so let's continue the discussion. A few thoughts on ideas brought up in this thread:

- Someone mentioned players will be angry if scores reset, and resetting scores punishes the innocent. Here's my thought on that: if players at the top are cheating, and you play fairly, how does that make you feel about your score? Wouldn't you rather there were no cheating so you could compete fairly? Second, and maybe I'm alone on this, reseting the scores is fun because everyone is competing again. The players that were good are still good and will raise to the top.

- About any solution that requires policing. Policing won't work because it is impossible to police all instances where it is going on. And the amount of effort and coordination to try and police it is impossible to coordinate. Then finally there is the judgement of the cheating, which requires someone. It's all too much to work. The solution has to be one that addresses the problem without policing, like the 1 ID solution.

- For people who want 2 IDs. That doesn't solve the problem because with 2 IDs you can cheat (read my first post on this thread).

- Clan players playing one another. Whatever solution we come up with must allow any player to play anyone else whether they are in a clan or not. Putting restrictions on which players can play each other doesn't make sense IMO.

- Someone suggested making games not count when one clan member plays another of the same clan. That is an interesting idea, but the problem is that this isn't limited to clans. Any two people can do it whether they are in a clan or not.

- The ganging up problem. This is where you play a 4v4 map with 3 clan members, the 4th not a clan member, and the 4th gets ganged up on. It can happen on 3v3 maps too. I don't have a good solution to this problem, unfortunately. My feeling is that this happens now and will become more common if we move to 1 ID, because 1 ID doesn't solve this problem (but it does solve the multi-ID cheat problem).

Here is another idea. Part of me believes that if we go with the 1 ID change, other ways of cheating will still be used like the ganging up problem, and probably still other ways not being listed. A never ending battle. What if we keep multiple accounts as we have now (and the cheating behavior that results), and address the problem by resetting the leaderboard every month or two? Here's the thinking: with cheating going on, over time the players at the top have to all cheat just to keep their score high, by definition (eventually this would be the case). This opens up a gulf between those players and the players who aren't cheating, and players who are new to the game. Resetting the leaderboard every month or two means there is an exciting event every month or two. It gives more of a chance to new players and players who aren't cheating. The best players raise to the top anyway. To recap, this idea is to keep things as they are, and reset the leaderboard every month or two.

[wonderer]

Rest the leaders board every one or two months the cheaters well get tired of boosting points it well solve all problem (trust me I'm a Boss)

Let us have one or two accounts (can we pick which account we can keep?)

well when I gang up on one player it's because they cleary have more $ then me and my partner does.
If we do go to 1 ID I will see that me and my clan members win all of the FFA maps we play to gether. Right now some have other ID's I don't even now or forgot. So when I see them I would team up with them for sure With out telling them. (But I don't set up traps)

[johnjones]

I like the idea of resetting frequently. It keeps the leaderboard current rather than people building up a score then playing once every two weeks. Although I'm sure the guys currently up there won't like it, I bet once it happens they'll start enjoying the game more without the stress of keeping a score going.

[WarKilla93]

bad idea, because you'll just ruin the game. Leaderboard is there to make the game more exciting and give players goal and challenges. If you just reset it every 2 months then all the hard work that other players did wouldnt be up there for long and it the game would turn like other games. It would be a simple game online game, no competition and boring. I like this game because theres a leaderboard in the game. It gives me challenge and a excitement that keeps telling me to keep playing this game and try to be number 1. Thats what makes this game so addicting, seeing your name on the leaderboard by all the people that plays this game.

[Jack17]

WarKilla93 wrote:

bad idea, because you'll just ruin the game. .

warkilla are ruining now this game with ur cheater clan. U and ur clan r the only reason y scott think about it.

[valicious]

scottlu wrote:

Thank you everyone for posting your thoughts and ideas. This thread is *still in progress*, so let's continue the discussion. A few thoughts on ideas brought up in this thread:

- Someone mentioned players will be angry if scores reset, and resetting scores punishes the innocent. Here's my thought on that: if players at the top are cheating, and you play fairly, how does that make you feel about your score? Wouldn't you rather there were no cheating so you could compete fairly? Second, and maybe I'm alone on this, reseting the scores is fun because everyone is competing again. The players that were good are still good and will raise to the top.

Personally, I would rather see the obvious cheaters get reprimanded than punish the innocent ones. I don't really like mentioning names because I know for a fact that most of the players know who those individuals or clans are. I really hate pointing fingers but I wouldn't hesitate giving an answer if I needed to. Not a lot of players or a group of players cheat so why punish all of us? Scott, you yourself mentioned here that you sent pm's to those players who were, and still are, obviously unfairly boosting their ratings and we've also seen the posts by some of the individuals who admitted to doing this unfair boosting of ratings so why hesitate to do something to those individuals? Why let them ruin the game? Why not show the whole Warfare Incorporated community that you are willing to reprimand "ONLY THOSE WHO OBVIOUSLY CHEATED" and do it swiftly? Why not make an example out of them? Why make the innocent suffer?

I am not trying to make such a big deal out of all of these but every successful gaming community does NOT reset rankings every couple months. I have pretty much all the mainstream consoles, pc and handheld devices and I play online games frequently and I have never seen any successful online games with ratings reset their rankings. What I do know is that if you're caught cheating, most of the time they ban/delete/cancel your id without warning. Why can't we do that here? I say just limit the ids to one per device and reprimand those that need to be reprimanded just to end this chaos. I mean you've already given them warnings and I hear from players that they are still doing it every single day. You can reset the ratings as often as you want but I don't see it as something exciting at all.

Once again, to make this game a total success, just punish those players that obviously need to be punished. The game has already improved by adding clan pages with moderators and making anons neutral (my idea btw hehehe) and I think these small tweaks made most if not all players happy. I don't claim to be a genius or a very intelligent person whatsoever, but I do know for a fact that my ideas have been put into motion by "bossmen" (not the boss clan) a lot of times before and then some. And no, I am not bragging at all. I am just genuinely concerned about this community's well-being. I think we have a lot of great characters here, contrasting or not. There's such a huge potential for this game to be very successful but THE justified decisions have to be made. Not because some people want it done, but because it's the very right thing to do.

[galm]

Ok here's an alternatiive solution which I actually really like. Y don't u add an observe button from the lobby? Then don't tell the people playing that there r observers, so they don't know if someones watching. This would allow new players to get a better strategy and make sure the players don't cheat. If caught cheating they WILL get there account reset. This should definetely stop people from cheating because not only the player but winesses can report them, but if they r caught lying maybe they Will get banned for a little while or long while and get there account reset.

[scottlu]

Good post Val, thanks. Yes I can reset obvious cheaters.

The problem with it is:

- it is more widespread than the obvious one you refer to
- It is impossible to observe and police all cases.
- it would work much better to have a system that prevents cheating, that does not require other people to make judgements.

However, all systems have tradeoffs, that is why we're discussing them in this thread. Manual policing is an option, although not one I like.

Galm, making games viewable by others is another form of manual policing.

[wonderer]

Only if your a mod or fiveO maybe a new person should be able to look at the games. I just learned a new move and I would hate if people would see what I'm doing.(nothing special I just never cought it) Anyways just join and quit if you want to watch. That's what players some times do. Or use a hidder ID's

lollol I thought Val was talking about Bosses lollol i was so happy for a milisecond.

[BrianBSHS]

If a player is good, then they can ge back up on the leaderboard in no time. It's not a big deal if we reset the leaderboard because players will be able to get back easier. It'll also make the game more fun because everyone is fighting to be ahead not getting ahead by 100 points then leaving.
I do think, though, that making only one account is a bad idea for the reason I brought up before.... Clan tags, many players are in a clan and their main accounts are different than their clan accounts. It's punishing us for no reason.

[kilik8880]

I am for te leaderboard reset it just sounds like fun!!

And if you have a problem with this their is a good chance that you are one of the cheaters

if your skills are true and as good as the leaderboard shows than it shouldn't be a problem to go right back up to the top

[valicious]

kilik8880 wrote:

I am for te leaderboard reset it just sounds like fun!!

And if you have a problem with this their is a good chance that you are one of the cheaters

if your skills are true and as good as the leaderboard shows than it shouldn't be a problem to go right back up to the top

That's not necessarily true. I myself don't really mind resetting, although I would be mildy upset to say the least because I worked so hard to acbieve those points. Anyone who says I am cheating are free to ask those top players that I beat one on one and also those players that I teamed with.Some of them were former number 1. Those players know who they are and some of them actually made some posts here. So just because I am not totally for it, I'm not totally against it either. All I'm saying is why not do it the way those successful online games do it? I just don't see this as the ultimate solution. Of course those who arent top 25 would say reset it, but have the opinions of the top 25 players been asked with the exception of those that are proven guilty of cheating? If the majority of the top 25 says yeah, then I will never no longer post my humble and UNBIASED opinion here because there will no longer be a point since a top 25 majority's decision. Just like Warkilla said, though I'm not defending him or anything, hard work is needed to get up there (and that's with him getting some help) now imagine getting up the ranks without or with very little help.

Find the real solutions because resetting is not the real solution. Reset it and the more advantage it will be for those pumping their scores since they can always log in as anon to help their clan members in ffa games or 2vs2, right? I'm pretty sure most of you guys, based on your posts, didn't realize this one major flaw!

[BrianBSHS]

valicious wrote:

kilik8880 wrote:

I am for te leaderboard reset it just sounds like fun!!

And if you have a problem with this their is a good chance that you are one of the cheaters

if your skills are true and as good as the leaderboard shows than it shouldn't be a problem to go right back up to the top

That's not necessarily true. I myself don't really mind resetting, although I would be mildy upset to say the least because I worked so hard to acbieve those points. Anyone who says I am cheating are free to ask those top players that I beat one on one and also those players that I teamed with.Some of them were former number 1. Those players know who they are and some of them actually made some posts here. So just because I am not totally for it, I'm not totally against it either. All I'm saying is why not do it the way those successful online games do it? I just don't see this as the ultimate solution. Of course those who arent top 25 would say reset it, but have the opinions of the top 25 players been asked with the exception of those that are proven guilty of cheating? If the majority of the top 25 says yeah, then I will never no longer post my humble and UNBIASED opinion here because there will no longer be a point since a top 25 majority's decision. Just like Warkilla said, though I'm not defending him or anything, hard work is needed to get up there (and that's with him getting some help) now imagine getting up the ranks without or with very little help.

Find the real solutions because resetting is not the real solution. Reset it and the more advantage it will be for those pumping their scores since they can always log in as anon to help their clan members in ffa games or 2vs2, right? I'm pretty sure most of you guys, based on your posts, didn't realize this one major flaw!

"Those successful games" like Diablo II have a ladder and a non-ladder leaderboard. So why don't we add a copy of the leaderboard that resets. The first leaderboard would gain points just like it normally would while the second one would be reset every so often.

[galm]

I agree with Brian and Scott I would love that anyway, the competition would get more fierce because beginners could watch more expierenced players. It's not really manual policing there wouldn't be mods of it people would just think twice plus new players would learn faster.

[valicious]

BrianBSHS wrote:

valicious wrote:

kilik8880 wrote:

I am for te leaderboard reset it just sounds like fun!!

And if you have a problem with this their is a good chance that you are one of the cheaters

if your skills are true and as good as the leaderboard shows than it shouldn't be a problem to go right back up to the top

That's not necessarily true. I myself don't really mind resetting, although I would be mildy upset to say the least because I worked so hard to acbieve those points. Anyone who says I am cheating are free to ask those top players that I beat one on one and also those players that I teamed with.Some of them were former number 1. Those players know who they are and some of them actually made some posts here. So just because I am not totally for it, I'm not totally against it either. All I'm saying is why not do it the way those successful online games do it? I just don't see this as the ultimate solution. Of course those who arent top 25 would say reset it, but have the opinions of the top 25 players been asked with the exception of those that are proven guilty of cheating? If the majority of the top 25 says yeah, then I will never no longer post my humble and UNBIASED opinion here because there will no longer be a point since a top 25 majority's decision. Just like Warkilla said, though I'm not defending him or anything, hard work is needed to get up there (and that's with him getting some help) now imagine getting up the ranks without or with very little help.

Find the real solutions because resetting is not the real solution. Reset it and the more advantage it will be for those pumping their scores since they can always log in as anon to help their clan members in ffa games or 2vs2, right? I'm pretty sure most of you guys, based on your posts, didn't realize this one major flaw!

"Those successful games" like Diablo II have a ladder and a non-ladder leaderboard. So why don't we add a copy of the leaderboard that resets. The first leaderboard would gain points just like it normally would while the second one would be reset every so often.

Just like what Brian said, some of the good online games have 2 leaderboards, others have different categories. It has been brought up before and I honestly think it's a good idea. Those who are really having a hard time climbing up the permanent leaderboard will get the chance to dominate or prove that they can also be considered top players albeit for a month or so. Here's what I said about it:

valicious wrote:

So basically what we're trying to do is have a permanent and official leaderboard and the ladderboard willpretty much be like "flavor of the month" of "player of the month" am I correct? It should be reset every month though and there should be a list of Number 1 player of the month only for that. There are different formulae/calculations to figure out the number 1 player of the month is. Just because the player is in first place at tue end of the month doesn't make him the best player of the month. It's based on point system too like how long did you hold that spot for and what other spots you held before being number one. The longer you stay on top or close to it the more you get a chance of being the best player of the month. And don't forget about the clan leaderboard, which I guess is another topic but also related to this one. What do you guys think of my idea?

Here's the link to the topic: http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?p=20398&highlight=#20398

Anyways, it's getting a little offtopic so once again I'll get to the point. Reprimand cheaters if they're caught and tweak the rules and regulations...enhance the game for the good of all players.

[wonderer]

i'm sorry just because you can reach the top but not fight any of the topplayers your not realy a topplayer.
So then theirs no point of resting their accounts they will still be on top. They would boost another way like gang up, or one of them would be an anon and gang up on one other players. their would be no point of having two leaderboards.

val said '' Those who are really having a hard time climbing up the permanent leaderboard will get the chance to dominate or prove that they can also be considered top players albeit for a month or so.''

so cool I beat everyone and im number 1 for the whole month or two months i realy didnt prove much if the original topplayers never played me. o yea they could come and fight me one time and never again. but one time realy dont prove much. if they rest the leaderboard then the origanls topplayers would have to fight more just to get their spot back well if they want that 1# spot. or be like the rest.....

well if they do have two leaderboards then show the resting first and the origanl one we would have to click on it to see it. i hate seeing top players up their that dont even play anymore.(no im not trying to fight the 1-10 topplayers but it would be nice to only to see if i have improved much.

[valicious]

wonderer wrote:

i hate seeing top players up their that dont even play anymore.(no im not trying to fight the 1-10 topplayers but it would be nice to only to see if i have improved much.

Last time we played was like a couple weeks ago wonderbra. I used my other id, remember? We all know you got skills, too. We all know that we beat each other a few times. We also know that you beat Warkilla just recently hehe. I'm pretty sure you can beat some of the top 10. It would be tough, but you don't really need to be top 10 to prove how good you really are. 2 leaderboards would be pretty cool so others can be top 25 for at least a month. To minimize cheating, one of the solutions is to just allow 1 id per device, not ip, because some people share wi-fi. With regards to clan members playing as anon, the best solution to it is to just not play them. I've had my share of losing thanks to them ganging up on me, but it is a part of the game. As for clan members pumping scores, the best way is to not allow members of the same clan play against each other. If they really wanna play each other, they can always log in as anon to try out new things or just to see who's better among them. For that to happen, the server has to be able to identify the origin (device) of the players' device so that it won't matter if they log in as anon because the server won't allow the same clan members to play vs each other unless they're logged in as anons and does not involve players outside of the clan.

[valicious]

wonderer wrote:

Maybe each bye the number of wins not points not not kills in the game. But kills after the game ended and yes they could cheat but the anons won't count as a kill

so free4all I kill ihatepies but Ihatepies kills Val and Val kills an anon.

I get a point and ihatepies gets a point a Val gets no points.

It will only work if the computer can understand who killed who I think it does that already. If people do cheat we can find out how they are and . The next month is a new month

Here's proof that you did like the idea of having two leaderboards.

[wonderer]

well all of the time i talk about people being good or not im talking 1vs1.

its like yea we played a few weaks ago but how times before that its been like months since i realy played a person and that raped me lollol. i guess its me but ya'll care to much about you scores/ranks.

hell yea i love both leaderboards but ya'll dont play much anymore(real topplayers). but its like ipwn he's ranked at 97 with 1750 last game he played was on january 31 back when rcb was rcb when ho was playing when uknown was playing 5 games at once. lol he was a top 10 but he still on the board for some reason. lollollol.

tihs i dont no anymore.

[N@TE]

I'm all for the secondary leaderboard; it was brought up by Brian about three weeks ago and has since then been ignored after a few posts on the subject. Now it looks like it's actually going to happen. I say (and will probably be alone on this) reset the main leaderboard once a year, at January 1, the beginning of every year. As of right now the leaderboards are kind of high for anybody to join, which is good, but by the end of the year, and mark my words, the bottom will be at least 2000. The leaderboard for every year would be put up on the forums as "Leaderboard of ____". Ex: Leaderboard of 2010. You would then be able to see the leaderboard as of December 31, 2010, or whatever year it would be.
As for galms idea: It is great sounding, and a good concept, but lets look a week into the future after that has been put in place. (Wavy screen turning white, then going to the forums in a week) Some top player: "Argh I used to be one of the best players but now everybody knows my strategy and all of my moves and I can't beat hardly anybody anymore! I have to constantly think of new strategies but those are alway taken by other viewers!" It would be something like that, with the forums in havock about this and all newbs now knowing too many strategies. Okay so maybe it would take a while to master the strategies, but if you're a person viewing many top players a day you could learn pretty quick.

[valicious]

You know what guys, Nate is actually right on this time. I think it's a very good idea.

[N@TE]

valicious wrote:

You know what guys, Nate is actually right on this time. I think it's a very good idea.

Thanks Val, much appreciated. You were the least one I expected to agree with me Val, being such an extremely highly ranked player like yourself. It just seems like every place on the leaderboard has been moved up about 200 points since I joined a little less than 4 months ago. Heck, I remember when #100 was less than 1550. I think that having #100 being around 1700 is good, but eventually say in like 3 years, the bottom will be around 3000, if it is not reset every year. That's double what you start off with. Now of course throwing away the leaderboard every year would be bad, so have it on the forums for all players to see and for Vet players to remember. Now I just hope other people will agree with me…

[N@TE]

Wait, hang on, I just realized something. Wouldn't having two leaderboards require two scores? Just because the leaderboard is reset doesn't mean the scores are, and if the scores aren't reset then how can the leaderboard be? I may be completely wrong here, so somebody help me out if I am. I guess that there would have to be two different score names as well. The one we have now would be called something like "Main score" and the other would be called maybe "Ladder score" or "Month score". Everytime you gain points on one, you gain it on the other, and the exact same amount. The only difference is that one would get reset every month ("Ladder/Month score"), and the other would get reset yearly (Saying other people agree to that idea of mine). You would be able to see both scores by going to your profile on either leaderboard, but only by tapping and going into the profile. Now like I said, I may be completely wrong here, but it doesn't make sence to me any other way, with one score.

[wonderer]

If they rest the the main leaderboard every year then show the top 50/25 players. Only nothing less Hopefully 25 and up. I thoughabout that to Nate about two different scores and ranks. Seems crazy if you look at them.

Maybe the main leaderboard would be on the forms since the top25 players look at the forms more then the rest.well they been here longer?:-/

[BrianBSHS]

When you get points now, the points you get are based on your score vs. their score. It is changed accordingly.
When you play a game, the points will be changed by the same algorithm, but 2 different times.

Player A: 1600 (Non-Ladder) 1500 (Ladder)
Player B: 1650 (Non-Ladder) 1500 (Ladder)

When player A beats player B, player A gets treated on the "Non-Ladder" Scoreboard as beating a score of 1650 while being only 1600.
As well as that, player A's "Ladder" score will be affected, but only as being 1500 and beating another 1500.

I hope that cleared it up bit more.

[scottlu]

Two leaderboards is an interesting idea. And Brian's right, that's how the scoring would work.

But I have a question: with two leaderboards, one permanent, and one reseting, we still have cheating problems that mostly affect the permanent leaderboard. Is this ok? Are you saying by having two leaderboards this problem isn't as big of a deal, because players have the reseting leaderboard?

[wonderer]

it would be better only because we hopefuly not be able to see the main leader board so it well help my eyes focuse better on whos actual playing and who's better.well the people that are realy playing.

the top 5 players would have to fight. only to stay on top for their leaderboard. and the cheating wont be seen as much so it should put us at ease. time well tell but rest their scores or well go after warkilla and other boosters

aww brain just had to use the numbers so close to each others and he had to use play a and player b. God i hate a's and b's. my bad but i cant tell the different but i understand what your saying.

[N@TE]

I think it just got a little off-topic. We got going about the leaderboard being reset, and then went back to Brains three-week old brilliant idea, and then it just got into leaderboard stuff from there. Well at least we figured some stuff out. It would fix some cheating problem though. Now we have to figure more out:

• How many accounts should be allowed to each player?

I think most players would prefer two accounts, as it allows more freedom and more fun. It does not solve the cheating problems as well as having only one account though.

• What other rules should be put in place?

Just this won't be enough to stop cheating. With two leaderboards and one account, that may stop cheating. Maybe not completely, but at least pretty well. I don't want to be limited to the number of times I can play one player per day, because even with that rule i place, you could do one cheating game per day and still gain points. Also, as Scott said, we should be able to play whoever we want, in a clan or not. Keep in mind that cheating also happens outside of clan activity. Not as much as in-clan, but it still happens.

Finally, we need to end the leaderboard chat for right now, so I need to reask this question and get results, and feedback.

• Do you think resetting the regular leaderboard yearly is a good idea?

Look at my posts six above this one, and the one eight above this one. Please respond.

[wonderer]

well i see no point of talking about tryin to fix the cheating problem, other then sweaping it up under the rug and hopfuly it wont come back and give us asama.
if scottlu wont rest their accounts or any thing else so why not just hid the problem. just until the top 25 players all boosted to get up their. then maybe we can try to solve the problems some more. well see in a year what happens.....

[girlie.]

We all know what the problem is. We all know that bit clan members are boosting their scores artificially so scott mustshould just reset or cancel their accounts involved in this cheating. Resetting the whole leaderboard wont fix the problem. Its like picking 200 flowers because theres 6-10 of them that dont belong there and it makes for an ugly sight. You get the point, hopefully.

[scottlu]

No girlie, you don't know what the whole problem is. It is much more wide spread than you know. And the remedy must be a solution to the problem. Me policing it is not a solution, for a couple of reasons:

- policing doesn't stop the problem, because it doesn't prevent it from happening. Therefore many people will continue to cheat in the way described.
- even assuming all the cases could be reported, I can't be a full time policeman.

The solution *must* prevent the cheat from being possible. That will solve the problem. That is what I am seeking, and is why I have opened this thread. Either we come up with and agree to a solution that prevents this problem, or it stays as is. Please join in the discussion to help come up with a workable solution.

[scottlu]

Another proposal:

- Players choose one ID that gets scored. Players can have other IDs if they wish, but they will not get scored. If you want to switch to another ID for scoring, the original gets reset. There is a special indicator TBD on the ID if it is a scoring ID.

- The only games that get scored are ones between two scorable IDs (1v1 games only). Games that aren't 1v1 won't get scored, to prevent the ganging up cheat.

- The current leaderboard will get archived, and a new leaderboard would start.

[kilik8880]

I agree with the first proposal scott but the 1v1 games?!!!!!


Don't do that, that is so not cool.
The ganging up isn't a "cheat" it is just a very dirty way to win which isn't benificial for the ppl ganging up because, well let's face it somebody has got to lose.

And some times the ganging up isn't intentional it just happens.

PLEASE DONT DO THAT

[girlie.]

scott its good idea

[BrianBSHS]

I don't like the single scorable account. It causes more havoc within the game. It's going to be an anon that you can just log into again and again. Ni thought we already tried to get rid if the anons once before, let's not add another section for them. I'd prefer just logging each ip address when you login. So if I login with BrianBSHS and Brian van Java. People can pull up a menu that can pull up my other Ids. Each I'd would have to be logged more than once, because you could let your friend use your device once and then everyone will think you're the same person causing even more unneeded drama.

It would look something like this.....

( give me a few minutes )

[trineroks]

I agree with kilik ganging up isn't a cheat

Scott I like your ideas but the 1v1 games rule... it would suck if 2v2 games or FFA didn't count

[wonderer]

Maybe be for boosting points scottlu could rest or delate ID's and if it happens again the he could do it every so often. So lie every one or two months he push the button. What girlie was sayin about protesting it won't do a dang thing. Just boost points if you want or get up their the old way I'm doingright now.

To show these weakass toplayers how's it's done.

Just rember girlie they are the bad guys for cheeting. Where the good guys. At the end of everymovie the badguy dies.

[BrianBSHS]

BrianBSHS wrote:

I don't like the single scorable account. It causes more havoc within the game. It's going to be an anon that you can just log into again and again. Ni thought we already tried to get rid if the anons once before, let's not add another section for them. I'd prefer just logging each ip address when you login. So if I login with BrianBSHS and Brian van Java. People can pull up a menu that can pull up my other Ids. Each I'd would have to be logged more than once, because you could let your friend use your device once and then everyone will think you're the same person causing even more unneeded drama.

It would look something like this.....

( give me a few minutes )

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Once you hit "Ping," a list of all of the members currently in the chat room pops up. Each name then becomes a button, or a hyperlink to their own ping page. Once you click on a name, in this case, mine, the second window pops up, and shows you the player's name along with the other accounts that have been played on that device. I also thought, while finalizing the image, that there could be a third menu box saying the percentage of the total times logged in for each account. Say I used both accounts equally, it would say rank: 4, points: 2100, percentage: 50.

If you guys like that idea, i'm going to throw this out there as well, I prefer percentage over the actual amount of times they logged in because the more times you log in with that account, the more of a loser you look (and you know i'm right). Not only that, the numbers would get high and become less desirable to look at.

[wonderer]

aaaaa idont think my 2ndgen itouch can handle all of that.

[wonderer]

I don't see how hard it is to rest their points since he nows already who's doing the cheating. If they do it again then rest the 3rd time well be delated or they well have to explain them self real good.
We don't need new thing so we can look at. Going on 6 pages of nothing going on. This is only a place to spam about nothing. If you want to talk then send through the privite messaging.

[scottlu]

wonderer this is not a place to spam about nothing. I wouldn't of made the thread if I wanted to waste time spamming. And please limit you posts in this thread to constructive contributions, not complaints.

As I was saying previously, knowing who the cheaters are doesn't fix the cheating. I want it fixed so it is not possible. Secondly, I will adjust the scores of those who have cheated, it is only fair.

[BrianBSHS]

Wow, not a single thing said about my beautiful work of art. That box is exactly proportional and centered horizontally and vertically by the way. That's why it looks so well done and pleasing.

[scottlu]

Brian, thanks for your posts and proposal on IDs. I hear you about non-scoring ID being like an anon id. And, I think your idea of making alternate IDs viewable by others is interesting, I will think about it.

I still need a way that score pumping can't occur. One ID would solve the problem. I know you want 2 IDs, but that doesn't solve the score pumping problem.

[BrianBSHS]

scottlu wrote:

Brian, thanks for your posts and proposal on IDs. I hear you about non-scoring ID being like an anon id. And, I think your idea of making alternate IDs viewable by others is interesting, I will think about it.

I still need a way that score pumping can't occur. One ID would solve the problem. I know you want 2 IDs, but that doesn't solve the score pumping problem.

I know you don't like the idea of policing because it doesn't solve the problem, and I understand completely, but something is better than nothing. I feel that if someone provides sufficient proof of a score boost, that all you have to do is post saying that "It's being taken care of," lock the thread, and reset his rank.
Atleast, then, you have the angered players off your back, and you have a calmer environment to work with. If nothing else, it will at the very least, buy you more time to think of a more permanent solution.

[wonderer]

Wasen't someone saying that we where going to have something like a clan scoring well it still work with onE ID pushing out points maybe one clan won't use all of their main ID against a better clan?

[BrianBSHS]

wonderer wrote:

Wasen't someone saying that we where going to have something like a clan scoring well it still work with onE ID pushing out points maybe one clan won't use all of their main ID against a better clan?

I don't want my score to be affected by others in my clan, I'd rather do my own thing and suffer the consequences or rewards, that way if my score sinks, it's my own fault and theres no blame being passed around. I just see tensions running high, then one rogue clan member tanking the clan account and leaving. It would be bad IMHO to have clan scoring.

[scottlu]

It is important that it is automated. I will do this, in the short term:

- create a way of determing if a game is score pumped (with high liklihood). These games will not be scored.
- use this same mechanism to go through historical games, and adjust scores of those who have score pumped. It won't be pretty for score pumpers.

This is much more fair than manually adjusting the scores of some offenders, because it applies the same standards to everybody.

[BrianBSHS]

As long as you state the parameters as to which the games are altered, that way you aren't liable when people come crying, OMG NOEZ MY GAMZ ARNT BEIN SKORD, TEH GAME IS BROKD. You can just respond, READ DA RULZ, N00B.

[N@TE]

BrianBSHS wrote:

wonderer wrote:

Wasen't someone saying that we where going to have something like a clan scoring well it still work with onE ID pushing out points maybe one clan won't use all of their main ID against a better clan?

I don't want my score to be affected by others in my clan, I'd rather do my own thing and suffer the consequences or rewards, that way if my score sinks, it's my own fault and theres no blame being passed around. I just see tensions running high, then one rogue clan member tanking the clan account and leaving. It would be bad IMHO to have clan scoring.

This is something that would come with clan wars. When you fight another clan in a clan war only, the clans score would be affected. Since there aren't clan wars yet, this would be irrelevent.

As for policing, look at my post as a responce to galm's. It's on the middle of page 4 of this topic. That is the way I feel about it, and probably what would happen.

[BrianBSHS]

N@TE wrote:

BrianBSHS wrote:

wonderer wrote:

Wasen't someone saying that we where going to have something like a clan scoring well it still work with onE ID pushing out points maybe one clan won't use all of their main ID against a better clan?

I don't want my score to be affected by others in my clan, I'd rather do my own thing and suffer the consequences or rewards, that way if my score sinks, it's my own fault and theres no blame being passed around. I just see tensions running high, then one rogue clan member tanking the clan account and leaving. It would be bad IMHO to have clan scoring.

This is something that would come with clan wars. When you fight another clan in a clan war only, the clans score would be affected. Since there aren't clan wars yet, this would be irrelevent.

As for policing, look at my post as a responce to galm's. It's on the middle of page 4 of this topic. That is the way I feel about it, and probably what would happen.

You sound pretty sure what's going to go down, OH psychic N@te, "what will they think up next?"

[wonderer]

We need a chat thing to tell use who's typing were and a poste update. I hate waiting to see what's nexted.

[BrianBSHS]

wonderer wrote:

We need a chat thing to tell use who's typing were and a poste update. I hate waiting to see what's nexted.

You mean like the multiplayer chat rooms Scott has installed in the game? and I was making a reference to the fruit rollups slogan.

[wonderer]

Ooook brain you got me their I'm lost:-/

[N@TE]

Quote:

You sound pretty sure what's going to go down, OH psychic N@te, "what will they think up next?"

Hmm let's see here…I've gotta put my hands on the shiny shere in the middle of Brian's glowy avatar. Ah yes…we will all be driving all-electric cars by the year 2040.

Okay enough with that. Wonderer please expand what you are saying. I don't think many people understand.

[wonderer]

Just a chatt room on the forms but well make a noise if someone types.

[N@TE]

Alright now I see what your saying. You want to see who's typing and on what forum. You know that towards the top of the page there's a thing that says "Users browsing this forum" right? It lists all users that are currently looking/typing on the forum. Btw this is WAY off topic from the origanal topic.

Now, back to that. It seems as though it will be really hard to track those cheated games. Different maps have different game lengths and unit kills. I also feel like it will be very hard to make something that slightly resembles an opinion into automation. Hmm…what to do, what to do…

[scottlu]

It will work statistically. If player A consistently beats player B when using a certain name, but consistently loses when using a different name, the winning game is likely a score pumped game. This can be calculated to a percentage liklihood. If the liklihood is above this percentage, the game is marked score pumped. Yes there may be false positives.

[valicious]

I just looked at the leaderboard and all I can say is just "WOW!" No offense but have they really gotten that good to surpass Berly and I in less than a couple hours? I must be really rusty because I remember beating all the top players fair and square but I didn't know that some players could be that good over such a short period. I'm not naming names because it's just not my style but wow, just wow...

[scottlu]

Val, you can consider the leaderboard broken right now, because of this. I am in the process of fixing it.

[iamlegend]

Hello


This get very amazing how some people try to get on the top. I hope that scottlu will fix that score Problem soon elsewise this cheap Problem will never end. My Opinion is that everyones IP get saved and the Server checks automatically if some player plays often with a another player. Some People are against the one Account Rule I don't understand u guys!? U get angry about the score Problem but again the 1 acc rule!? What's wrong !? This rule will fix all score Problems. At least I think the Leaderboard have to Get reset ... There are so many players on top who never play any good player they always denie it or say they have to go ... Sorry guys but these sh!t destroys the game so if ya scared to play any good players go there where ya supposed to be: on the bottom ...


Btw I hope this big sh!t will be fixed soon

[berlyhendrawan]

Hi scott..
I was bored and felt sick when I saw a lot of players cheating. So, please do that in your opinion are the best, we will accept it. I'm sure you can make a change with either..
After that, let's start it all with a new and fair..
Thanks

[scottlu]

I'm working on it. More info soon.

[N@TE]

Rather if we want to or not, we will all have to go with 1 ID. To make people more happy, you could have 1 ID for the game, and 1 ID for the foorums. 1 ID for the forums is important because polls would actually be useful. However, even with 1 ID additional rules will have to be set in WI stone to make sure cheating doesn't happen. Being able to play with multiple IDs would require a lot of things to be set in stone, rather than just something else small.

[BrianBSHS]

1 ID solves the problem, but it makes clans pointless. It also makes it harder to test maps if you only have 1 ID because you would have to play every game like it counts, because it does. Not only that, if you only have 1 account that affects scores, all of the other accounts are like glorified anons, which again would anger players and bring up the arguements "Go login to your scoring account, stop wimping out." I honestly, feel it hurts the game as much as it helps it and takes out the usefulness of having a clan ID.

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If you look at the pictures above, you'd notice that it clearly would list every other ID a person uses. It excludes nobody and can help prove beyond reasonable doubt when someone cheats.

Scott: Do what you feel is right for your game, but you know where I stand on the 1-ID-only topic.

[berlyhendrawan]

Hi scott..
Another addition is that I agree with Brian, we must have a maximum 2 id's .. 
The question is can you do that scott?
My ids is:
berlyhendrawan
berly van java
@ezzer van java
berly@ezzer
==>> maybe if can 2 id's, i must delete berly@ezzer and @ezzer van java..
Thanks

[Jack17]

I think one acc is enough.

[ElectronicFlesh]

2 ID's !!!!!!!!! that has my vote

[scottlu]

2 IDs doesn't solve any problems.

[ElectronicFlesh]

Well we could have any number of ids' (2) and The higher one could have the mean of both your two ids' rating as it's own,(it's personal rating hidden and it's joint raiting shown) but the 2nd I'd wouldn't show it's own score personally, it would therefore make players work hard with both ids' and there would be no way to trace two ids' back to each other. To make it fair so players don't have to work twice as hard they could have an option of only scoring with one i'd, but when the oher gets reactivated, it would result it a significant change from the previous rating of that account, so when scoring for a particular acc has stopped it's rating should be hidden from the public and taken off the leaderboard.

[GoldenArcher]

I noticed Misterious has two ipods and i have have a picture of it. Is anyone doing something about this?

[wonderer]

nothing well be done but if we go to one ID he well have have two ID's but the rest will only have one

[GoldenArcher]

that sucks

[scottlu]

GoldenArcher wrote:

I noticed Misterious has two ipods and i have have a picture of it. Is anyone doing something about this?

I will take a look.

[archangel666]

GoldenArcher wrote:

I noticed Misterious has two ipods and i have have a picture of it. Is anyone doing something about this?

ur full of crap! U da one who st me up using 2 ipods. First 1 wid anon u wer blue anon cyan i was red n u guys never atack each other u guyz kept ataking me n wen u only had 18 units n anon had lyk 60 but as soon as i waz dead anon quit. Den nxt game i was anon den u had 1 unit left coz i kild u n yelow n cyan had more but u still won! Lyk ur sig sais, u never admit shit n u counter atack! Cheap cheater!

[drummerboy]

Well first off, I just want to say nice job to brian, with your custom ping pictures, that's pretty amazing.

As for the problem on hand, I like the talk of averages. What if u made it so that on leaderboard, the score present was the mean of all acc's for that person? And then have a link showing the other acc's. That way, if a clan starts score pumping, the "bad" acc will drop the overall rating.

Buuuuuut, I think the best solution would be to limit ppl to 1 acc. Then they can't score pump, and the ganging up problem could be solved if u programmer the leaderboard to accept score changes from team X so many times a day. And if ppl need another acc to test maps, y don't you make it so that mapmakers can deem a map beta. Then make sure beta maps don't affect anybody's score.

I think it's a good idea, but since this problem is so big, I probably missed something.

[wonderer]

yeah if we go down to one account. then the people with iPhones could play with thier Internet and switch to wifi at thief house meaning they have two accounts. some players have the same ip adress as others.

the other thing you said about combining the accounts scores. only means more anons will be playing and players need thier trash accounts to test maps.

[drummerboy]

The growing anon population could be a problem, but for mapmakers, I already said that we could add a beta option. When making maps, the mapmaker could deem the map "beta," and then beta maps would not affect anybody's score.

[wonderer]

then why would they be played. unscored maps still not fun cause the winner will mostlikly be me.which means no more fun playing I don't no I'm stuck on this thread.

[galm]

If u want to test a map log in as anon thats what most mapmakers do.

[wonderer]

on the other page everyone said they need an IDto test maps so change of hart?

[galm]

Idk but it's what we do.

[zack9616]

Long tran is a scumbag i told him my password on my account so he could put the viet clan avatar up for my name and just found out that he pumped on his account against mine twice and it says i played destruction and lost so i just realized that i cant trust anyone in this game

[trineroks]

zack9616 wrote:

Long tran is a scumbag i told him my password on my account so he could put the viet clan avatar up for my name and just found out that he pumped on his account against mine twice and it says i played destruction and lost so i just realized that i cant trust anyone in this game

which is the reason why you never give your account info to anyone else....

[wonderer]

please take down you viet pride avatar zack. I was going to poste in two days for you to take off your avatar. it wasent for what happen just now but what happen inthe past about a month ago we all had to agree to let you go.

zack you get so mad but how do you think you got so high on the leader board. we gotten your zack account that high so people don't think you suck on at this game. maybe he just took back the points we got you from us playing on your iD. you been playing for more then a year and still haven't got your iD high enough and you play alot. I looked at the games and it don't look like boosting to me the time matches up

[girlie.]

wonderer wrote:

please take down you viet pride avatar zack. I was going to poste in two days for you to take off your avatar. it wasent for what happen just now but what happen inthe past about a month ago we all had to agree to let you go.

zack you get so mad but how do you think you got so high on the leader board. we gotten your zack account that high so people don't think you suck on at this game. maybe he just took back the points we got you from us playing on your iD. you been playing for more then a year and still haven't got your iD high enough and you play alot. I looked at the games and it don't look like boosting to me the time matches up

Its still called boosting! Scott should do somthing about it.

[scottlu]

I will find out what is going on. Using someone else's account for an unauthorized use is not ok, to say the least.

[sars]

Add this to news http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewforum.php?f=2

Make surevyou mention this in the announcement. And post on every page

[Yoshiya]

i like your idea scottlu but maybe you could make it ip adress in case they have multiple devices